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| Quote ="Dux"Sounds as though Lenegan is leading an effective revolt of SL clubs over the RFL's failure to provide sponsorship or satisfactory coverage for the game. Could potentially scupper the proposed restructure. This is from Chris Irvine on Twitter.'"
There's a lot more too it than that, and it's not just Wigan and Saints. We should know the full story in the next few days. Could be fun!!!!
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"There's a lot more too it than that, and it's not just Wigan and Saints. We should know the full story in the next few days. Could be fun!!!!'"
Is it something that you expect will lead to positive developments for the game?
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"There's a lot more too it than that, and it's not just Wigan and Saints. We should know the full story in the next few days. Could be fun!!!!'"
Stop it with the teasing! Just put it out there, or if it's potentially incriminating/scandalous then PM me.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Stop it with the teasing! Just put it out there, or if it's potentially incriminating/scandalous then PM me.'"
Remember 1895.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"If it's so good on there what are you doing on here?
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Like Nigel Wood but for different reason's I manage to be everywhere at once. No commend on Ape man?
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| Quote ="Dux"Sounds as though Lenegan is leading an effective revolt of SL clubs over the RFL's failure to provide sponsorship or satisfactory coverage for the game. Could potentially scupper the proposed restructure. This is from Chris Irvine on Twitter.'"
Supported by Eamon McManus but I understand that Leeds and wakefield are not happy!
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| Well our McManus has been banging the drum about restructuring the game in the right manner for about 2 seasons now.
The RFL have reduced the game to well below expectations, perhaps we will end up with a 10 team superleague, trouble is the timing might be off with the current economic climate.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Well our McManus has been banging the drum about restructuring the game in the right manner for about 2 seasons now.'"
Except a Superleague take over isn't the right manner. Its the manner of a few self-interested chairman, with the obnoxious Leneghan at the forefront, may the gods help us.
The RFL clearly needs to change. It's full of administrators and little else. The media department don't know how to deal with the media. Nobody has an ounce of creativity or dynamism about them. But what we don't need is a bunch of rich chairmen protecting their own investments in charge. Read League Weekly to get a fuller report on what this is all about. And they kick up this fuss right before the world cup. That'll bring the punters (and following money) into the game obviously. Arrogant fools.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Except a Superleague take over isn't the right manner. Its the manner of a few self-interested chairman, with the obnoxious Leneghan at the forefront, may the gods help us.
The RFL clearly needs to change. It's full of administrators and little else. The media department don't know how to deal with the media. Nobody has an ounce of creativity or dynamism about them. But what we don't need is a bunch of rich chairmen protecting their own investments in charge. Read League Weekly to get a fuller report on what this is all about. And they kick up this fuss right before the world cup. That'll bring the punters (and following money) into the game obviously. Arrogant fools.'"
I think I would prefer to take the risk of rich chairmen shaking things up for better or worse than the RFL taking us rock bottom into obscurity.
Less player participtation, less sponsorship, less media prescence, less funding, less investment is the ideal recipe for the collapse of rugby league as a professional sport.
The timing of the situation, maybe the chairmen don,t want the RFL to hide behind a possible successful world cup and short term paper over the cracks.
We,ve had no sponsor for superleague this season and maybe there is no sponsor for next season as well, 30k price money for the games top competion is a total disgrace. Will the rich chairmen see the game is no longer a viable proposition or will they fight to re structure the game, I think it will be the latter.
I can see more clubs joining up for re structure with perhaps only the weakened financial clubs in London, Bradford, Wakefield and Castleford not going with the flow. The RFL have already cancelled this Wednesdays meeting so maybe thats an early sign of clubs taking control and taking the fight to the RFL.
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| I don't agree with McManus on everything, and Lenegan is a pie, but I would always choose them over Nigel Wood if it came to making decisions in the best interests of the sport.
Since Richard Lewis lost focus in 2007/8 and moved on, the RFL has slipped from being a dynamic, money-generating, force for good in our game, to being a shambolic waste of space chucking out random gimmicks and making terrible decisions, of which the Stobart sponsorship was just the most high profile. Too many decisions seem to be largely taken either on a whim, or at the behest of badly-run lower-half-of-the-table sides who happen to have Wood's ear.
If Lenegan and McManus make common cause, especially if they can get Warrington, Huddersfield and Leeds on board, then we may well get some direction again.
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| Quote ="Roy Haggerty"I don't agree with McManus on everything, and Lenegan is a pie, but I would always choose them over Nigel Wood if it came to making decisions in the best interests of the sport.
Since Richard Lewis lost focus in 2007/8 and moved on, the RFL has slipped from being a dynamic, money-generating, force for good in our game, to being a shambolic waste of space chucking out random gimmicks and making terrible decisions, of which the Stobart sponsorship was just the most high profile. Too many decisions seem to be largely taken either on a whim, or at the behest of badly-run lower-half-of-the-table sides who happen to have Wood's ear.
If Lenegan and McManus make common cause, especially if they can get Warrington, Huddersfield and Leeds on board, then we may well get some direction again.'"
I've got no doubt that people like Mcmanus and Lenagan are much better equipped to run the sport than Nigel Wood. However, I'm not convinced that a clubs' revolt will necessarily lead to good governance.
As I understand it, many of the more ridiculous decisions of the last few years have been voted for by the clubs anyway. The cutting of the academies is a perfect example. The big, progressive clubs will have voted against it, but there is always a majority of clubs who will see the opportunity to save some cash before considering what is best for the game. IIRC the scrapping of the u20s was actually done against an RFL recommendation.
So how will the clubs running the game change things? There may be some more commercial expertise, and there may be a chance for the bigger clubs to put their case more forcefully, but ultimately we'll still be at the mercy of the majority vote when it comes to decision making.
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| Quote ="Dux"I've got no doubt that people like Mcmanus and Lenagan are much better equipped to run the sport than Nigel Wood. However, I'm not convinced that this will necessarily lead to good governance.
As I understand it, many of the more ridiculous decisions of the last few years have been voted for by the clubs anyway. The cutting of the academies is a perfect example. The big, progressive clubs will have voted against it, but there is always a majority of clubs who will see the opportunity to save some cash before considering what is best for the game. IIRC the scrapping of the u20s was actually done against an RFL recommendation.
So how will the clubs running the game change things? There may be some more commercial expertise, and there may be a chance for the bigger clubs to put their case more forcefully, but ultimately we'll still be at the mercy of the majority vote when it comes to decision making.'"
I'm inclined to agree. Clubs will always vote for what good for them at the time and not (I don't think) what's good for the sport long term.
That doesn't mean that a vote of no confidence from the clubs should not be valid. Its telling that, bar leeds, the clubs with the more comprehensive (and expensive) set ups are all on that list.
British Rugby League is losing ground to both Rugby Union and the NRL. We're constantly under sold and our qualities under exploited.
The SL sponsorship is the crowning joke. First we give it away for a dozen van adverts and now we have nothing. We turn down sponsor ship from a bookies because its not the image we want for the sport, only for Sky to stick a SkyBet advert in front of our programmes!?
We get treated like bitches by sky with them moving our programmes around (not to mention a cut price TV deal when compared to RUs BT deal)and we're seemily marginalised by the Beeb at times, too.
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| Ever since BT sport started I have wondered if they would go for league and try and get a "All the Rugby" thing going.
Certainly wouldnt do any harm to have some pressure on Sky to improve the deal.
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| Whilst generally agreeing with most points on here , I am deeply suspicious when Chairmen of high profile clubs tell us how best the game should be run . they may well be running successful business models , but it would be very dangerous and a little niave to believe that the good of the game is the only motive at play with the likes of Moran , Lenaghan , Hetherington et al .
The days of Maurice Lindsay are a constant reminder of what can happen when self interest becomes all consuming .
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| London are in the mix as are both Hull clubs, Huddersfield, Wigan, Saints and Warrington. Leeds nor Wakefield will be with them due to the Hetherington influence.
The majority of clubs vote for things which are the lower clubs plus Leeds and formally HullFC. Pearson has taken over at HullFC so he's in the mix too.
I think they are looking at creating a separate brand for improved marketing the game with better prize money, similar to the soccer Premier League and Union's Premiership.
That has to be better than what's happening now!
There's also the principle I think that SKY money is for televising Super League and the RFL are looking to re-distribute the SKY money from the two clubs being lost into the Championship. SL clubs are now in revolt against this.
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| Quote ="St pete"Crazy thing is, this double winning team with great culture only finished one place above us in the league table.'"
League means nothing. Anyway with half a brain can see that. Huddersfield are nowhere near the best team and came top, this was proven in the playoffs when they were beaten by both Wigan and Wire.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I think we used to have that mentality, when we were winning things. But we won't see that mentality under Brown. He's far too casual.'"
The black and white of it is your players just aren't good enough.
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| Quote ="No1 Saint"We obviously need to learn to target key opposition players with dangerous tackles with the intention of making sure they leave the field thus disrupting the oppositions flow.
That aside you have a point re intensity and aggression, the majority of the season our pack especially had neither.'"
How pathetic. Wigan do the double, and you have to look for anything to criticise the club. Just have it that Wigan won both comps worth winning with a young predominately Wigan team and you did nothing this season.
Stop being so soft.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"League means nothing. Anyway with half a brain can see that. Huddersfield are nowhere near the best team and came top, this was proven in the playoffs when they were beaten by both Wigan and Wire.'"
But it meant something last year tho ?
Hasn't Wane constantly banged on how he wants to finish top ?
All we heard last year is how Wigan was the best team in the super league ("the real " champions"icon_wink.gif because you finished top, yet this year the team that finished 4th is the best team ?
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| Quote ="St pete"But it meant something last year tho ?
Hasn't Wane constantly banged on how he wants to finish top ?
All we heard last year is how Wigan was the best team in the super league ("the real " champions"icon_wink.gif because you finished top, yet this year the team that finished 4th is the best team ?'"
I guess it's a matter of priority, over time the league has meant less, this year we saw Huddersfield win the league only to be cast aside in the playoffs by both Wigan and Warrington, all in all everyone knows Huddersfield are far from the top team.
So what if Wane last year thought the league was the be all and end all, many fans know thesedays it; means nothing, it's all about the CC and GF. Wigan prepared their season for that and won both.
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| Quote ="St pete"But it meant something last year tho ?
Hasn't Wane constantly banged on how he wants to finish top ?
All we heard last year is how Wigan was the best team in the super league ("the real " champions"icon_wink.gif because you finished top, yet this year the team that finished 4th is the best team ?'"
What do you think? Are Wigan the best team this year? Or where Wigan the best team last year?
Personally I think last years team was better with the GF SF loss to Leeds an anomoly.
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| Quote ="Dougy"What do you think? Are Wigan the best team this year? Or where Wigan the best team last year?
Personally I think last years team was better with the GF SF loss to Leeds an anomoly.'"
I'd like to think that whoever finishs top is the best team in super league , as all your fans did last year. Unfortunately that's not the case these days.
I don't for one min think the likes of Wane picked and chose his games this year in order to win super league. IMO they tried to finish top and didn't as hudds was consistently better. Same goes for Leeds over the last few years, I don't for one min think McDermott deliberately threw games and wanted to come as low as 5th in the league.
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| Quote ="St pete"I'd like to think that whoever finishs top is the best team in super league , as all your fans did last year. Unfortunately that's not the case these days.
I don't for one min think the likes of Wane picked and chose his games this year in order to win super league. IMO they tried to finish top and didn't as hudds was consistently better. Same goes for Leeds over the last few years, I don't for one min think McDermott deliberately threw games and wanted to come as low as 5th in the league.'"
correct, he would have wanted to win as many as possible and finish top but that wasn't the Holy Grail he chased like last year. What he did do this year though was not burn out the first choice 17, they were rested more often and kept fresh for the CC and the playoffs. Typical example was the game after CC final, the next match saw 13 changes to the team that won it.
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| Quote ="pie.warrior"correct, he would have wanted to win as many as possible and finish top but that wasn't the Holy Grail he chased like last year. What he did do this year though was not burn out the first choice 17, they were rested more often and kept fresh for the CC and the playoffs. Typical example was the game after CC final, the next match saw 13 changes to the team that won it.'"
Did he not do that last year ?
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