True Dat!
Guilty of It myself,If they dont shift Hoahia its gona seriously p1ss me off.
Lance has nothing to offer at s/off.sort it out.

I think we can safely say that's true. McManus has staked the crown jewels on the future success of the stadium and there was simply no way he'd tolerate a fall-off in season ticket sales when he's doing everything in his power to increase them.

But with or without Royce he's facing trouble. This year is the first I've brought my two kids on season tickets. So far they've enjoyed the Wigan game in the league, Leeds and bits of the others. But on numerous occasions they have been bored out of their minds. No atmosphere. No performance. No entertainment. Which is certainly NOT what I expected early in the year.

Now, I'll more than likely renew and I'm sure the kids will enjoy the game more as they gather an understanding. But I'm also sure there will be many others who will simply drift away.

It's all well and good for McManus and Rush to be thinking of picking experienced players over rookies to win this game and that. But if we're out of the competition anyway the only thing winning alone guarantees is a few extra quid at the end of the season. The missing element here is ENTERTAINMENT.

If we can't win the competition what would you prefer - wins or good rugby (I'm not saying these terms are mutually exclusive, btw)?

The '[isix days before the Wigan game we were the best thing since sliced bread[/i' comment is ridiculous.

Who actually thought this? I'd take a guess at not many...

These were my thoughts straight after the game




So glad i wrote might

He hasnt done himself any favours with that comment.
He already comes accross a smug without patronising the fans.

You don't even get that - the team finishing 9th makes more money out of the league than anyone else does...

Logic would normally dictate that the season is now over and we might as well throw some kids in and try some different tactics and formations and see what happens. Thing is that under the current playoff system we only need to win 3 more games to be "champions" - Wigan look as though they're peaking way too early this season again and could be burnt out come the playoffs, Warrington always manage to do a Warrington at the end of the season, and Leeds might not even make the playoffs at all (not likely but possible). Rush' and KC's thinking might just be that grinding it through the middle, and getting the same senior players well entrenched into the mindset of doing so might end up being enough to win it all, so why bother changing anything... I would suffer immense mixed feelings if we did end up winning at O/T this season of all seasons...

lol

I would not worry your feelings too much, we ain't going to make it this year.

Almost certainly not, but most people thought exactly the same thing with exactly the same level of despondency at this point last season if you recall... It's only 3 or 4 games and a whole world of things can happen between then and now...

Last time I looked we were sixth in the table, five points behind Cats in third and have a stretch of games which could help us to get up to fourth if we win them all (especially with Cats and the Giants game straight after them). Given that we've only lost to Wigoon (comfortably admittedly) I think there's a degree of panic among those who appear to have some sort of inferiority complex about the pies.

Of course there are some problems that need to be addressed i.e. defence, but all this talk of apocalypse is naughty and bad form. We may not win anything this season but after Simmons leaving pretty much all of us had written off this season anyway and now, because of those two wins at the start of their reign, people are going mad and losing their cool. There's too many Joffreys in here and not enough Tyrions.

One thing that, i always feel, boost the feeling of satisfaction amongst fans is young players getting their chance. We've established we've got a solid pack to work with, we've established Rush and KC aren't under pressure to deliver a trophy, or even finish top 4 - so why not use the exciting set of young backs!?
Gaskell, Jones, Makinson (not on the wing), Swift, Foster and Ashe aswell as Lomax and Wheeler can help make a very able back line.

I think he's probably under pressure from McManus who at the start of the season unequivocally stated this team is a title contender.

Only if someone else knocks Wigan out of the playoffs.

I'm not panicing, I also thought we had a good chance of winning the GF last year and I reckon we will still squeeze inside the top 4. I think compared to the rest of SL, we are playing effective, if not thrilling RL at the moment, but that is because we are focusing pretty much everything through the pack.

I actually think the defense is generally very good, but when we have come up against the pies this year there has been an unfathomable collapse of that defense.

We have IMO improved since Royce left, and like I say I still think we'll make the top 4, but even when we played Leeds last week and won convincingly, the halves and outside backs where still the main issue.

So it depends on the question asked.

Are KC & MR doing a better job than Royce? Yes
Could Saints perform even better this year? Yes
Will Saints win the GF? No
Should Lance be playing half? No
Should we look at certain positions for next year? Yes
Will Saints be a force again for Trophies? Yes
Are Saints playing effective Rugby? Yes
Are Saints playing entertaining Rugby? -----
Do we need Cladding??

Nice quote, but Tyrion wasn't looking too clever at the end of Monday's episode.
Am I the only one that thinks he has a look of Brian Carney about him?

He does indeed.

He wasn't looking too clever but he's got some big balls for a little guy, unlike Joffrey the wet lettuce.

That wildfire bomb ship tactic was genius.

I'm loving it.

Does any one else watch is with their missus?
"Who's he? Who's she?"
"They're brother and sister, he was lovers with Stannis's little brother but she actually married him. That was before the shadow demon killed him, you know, the one the witch gave birth to."
".................. What!? "

Thankfully not, I couldn't be dealing with the questions.

Plus I'd have to pick my jaw up everytime Daenerys Targaryen comes onto the screen, as it is now, I can leave it hanging.

So the losses to Hull, Bradford and Hudds weren't losses then? We are by no means comfortable in sixth and I'm not remotely convinced that we will beat Warrington next time either unless there is an amazing turnaround in the attitude of our senior players. Given that we are now over halfway in the season and that attitude has persisted, I don't hold out much hope. Last season we didn't know which team was going to walk on to the pitch and with there being so many young players involved we developed a backs to the wall mentality (the team and the fans!). This year, however, we have had most of our senior players available for most of the season and yet on Sunday we manage to produce our biggest loss against Wigan since 2001 (apparently). That hardly inspires confidence.

The thread is about no changes by the current coaching team,we HAVE only lost to Wigan with the current coaching team.

It's my OP so I'm entitled to correct something that is factually incorrect, which is that we have only lost to Wigan. We are about to meet two of the other teams we have lost to as well.

Oh, and while you may say we have 'only' lost to Wigan, we happen to have lost to them three times in quick succession AND by our greatest margins of all our losses - and by a distance too.

Simmons was the coach then not KC and Mike Rush, who this thread is about. I stated the point about those first two games.



That's what sport is about. Competing and giving your all no matter what the odds are.

Indeed. Unfortunately we are failing to do that.

Yes im fully aware we lost to Wigan 3 times,we have been infact been dominated 3 times by Wigan.It may be your original OP but its stated as no changes and to anyone on here who reads that its no changes by the current coaching staff,not we lost to cats,hull and the bulls whilst under a different coach.It seems you have picked up your goalposts and moved them 22 yards away to the right as someone has challenged your post and shown it up.

Indeed, I especially like his rousing speech -
"There's some brave men out there. Let's go kill them."
I'll miss that little guy.