I'll tell you what to do.

Compare the points scoring records of Scully and Faz, and then come back and tell me that Scully was better..

As I've tried to explain so many times, every coach has picked Farrell ahead even your own.

Faz retires, BBC news, Scully retires St. Helens Repoter oh and St. Helens Star.

if i didnt know better i'd say bitten, hooked and landed

As I have just said, which you quite noticeably dodged. Faz Moved to Rugby union in a quite high profile move, we all know Union has the more high profile coverage, it was on text about Lewsey retiring for god's sake!
As for your point about the Golden Boot, James Graham has just been named the World's best prop, therefore I suppose you are in agreement with this too?

Have you found the scoring records yet?

I think you'll find I haven't given a view on who I believe who is the better player. I'm waiting for you to try and answer my questions instead of ducking them.

AJ will put you right on Thursday.

Put me right, how can he put me right, when you dont even know what I think. For what its worth I would go against most Saints Fans and say that I believe Faz was the better player, however I would also say your reasons of he won the Golden Boot, or he had more media coverage dont really carry much weight to your argument.

Quite possibly one of the most ridiculous comments I've seen on rlfans - and there are some pretty ridiculous ones !!!!

its like saying that paul anderson is the greatest ever goal kicker in rugby history in either code as he never missed a goal! Points scored esp. when scully wasnt our goal kicker is of little consequence. Scully usually scored more tries in a season and farrell more meters, in my veiw farrell was a prop, scully a more creative loose, hence scully averaging 4x as many kicks in general play, but farrell more offloads. Your argument over points scored is daft, using that logic danny tickle is currently the best forward in superleague

farrell would take scully to the cleaners! the only department id have scully over faz is his ability to playmake- faz was more of the nitty gritty player who britain, wigan, and rugby league have missed since the day he left for union. Faz was also a much better leader than sculthorpe!

Not having a dig at sculthorpe, he was an absolutely amazing player but i do not think he was in the same league as farrell.

And yes, In my opinion faz deserves to be up there with hanley and murphy- on the mere fact that he carried wigan rl for 15 years! and also his honours prove that he deserves to be up there with this standard of players.

Id say scully was a notch down from the likes of faz, hanley and murphy

All in all it was a pleasure to watch these two in action against each other and when playing each other! I will always remember that fight at knowsley road between faz and scully!

pity the rest of the gb team could not live up to the levels set by andy farrell and paul sculthorpe

I have compared them.

Scully was better.

Cheers!

Does that mean you think Chris Hicks is a better winger than Jason Robinson was?

Despite my natural antipathy towards all things Pie I consider Faz to be the outstanding British forward of his generation.
His commitment and drive to win were unquestioned and he had a tremendous workrate.
If I was picking a British team of players I have seen in my 34 years of serious RL watching he would be in it.

Still not as good a player as John Woods though.......

For me Farrell only lived up to the hype when he moved to prop forward for the goons. He carried that team for a couple of years,fooked his body up in the process.
Before that he was a good player but nowhere near as "great" as some made out.

I agree, he was a great prop, but not creative enough for a great loose

You mean the snippet in today's Indie?

All of about 6 lines...

Talk $hite as usual?

Powerful adjectives are all too readily used these days. Lets put it into context. Farrell was a Wigan great. He led the team exceptionally and they miss the injection of pure will to win (as well as obvious talent) that he had in the derbies we played against them. He was IMO a better leader than Scully.

Scully however enjoyed a better record in terms of performances against Australia.

Even during the nadir of 2003 when we were walloped by anout 60 points, he was the only player to emerge with any credit.

He was the one player the Australian press always gave respect to. Farrell never seemed to enjoy the same respect. I think the golden boot explained some of this. It was Martyn Sadler and co's way of recognising a great club player, but as so often is the case, unfortunately one who was not the same player at international level and the Australians realised this.

That is not to say Farrell was poor, in seriousness. He was obviously more able than most of the current set of forwards, but like Radlinski, nowhere near the type of player Wigan fans in la la land would have you believe.

Youngest forward ever to be selected for Great Britain RL.
Youngest forward ever to captain Great Britain RL.
Winner of the Golden Boot.

PLUS

Farrell OBE
4 Challenge Cups
5 Championships
4 Premierships
Twice man of Steel
4 times included in Super league Dream team
For Wigan
111 tries
1326 goals
19 drop goals
3115 points.

Scully
Double MOS Winner
Super League Dream Team 2001, 2002 and 2004
Super League Grand Final Winner 1999, 2000, 2002 and 2006
Challenge Cup Winner 2001, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008
World Club Challenge Winner 2001, 2007

Farrell was an awesome player for Wigan, were ever he played.

He never translated his form to GB though. He either got in the way and tried to be too much of a ball player, or operated in the forwards and didn't make much impact (in comparison to his play at club level).

If you compare that to somebody like Peacock, who I think plays even better when he pulls on a GB shirt.

Slightly loaded in Farrell's favour but does look more equal when laid out like this

Stop repeating yourself ald rogues your cracking up son.

I'm still waiting for Scullys points scoring exploits.

According to Eurob0y they are better.



And I forgot to add Farrells World Club Championship win in Brisbane.
Another first.

You know as well as everyone else here that that is a poor argument.