Maybe a running commentary?

I think he could put himself about more in defence. At times I forget he's on the fieid but when he does get involved he makes good meters.

I just feel if he got more involved, put himself about more that he could possibly push for a England shirt.

No no no how dare you knock the sloth! Do you not realise he's scored tries this season so should be allowed to play 1 for us for until he collapses from old age.

What you say is exactly the way I see it. We could carry an attacking dead end at fullback if we had halves who were ripping it up but sadly we don't. I think Makinson would go well at 1 and from what I've seen Swift looks a natural

I think lance hohaia should be fullback next year, he's a experinced works cup winning fullback.

He's got pace to burn and given the space fullbacks get on kick returns I think we'd see him clear his line very well. His covering defence thus season shows he's good enough in defence.

He'd also score tries if we got him outwide joining the line as he's fast with a low centre of gravity.

Unfortunately he can be suspect on the high kicks but so as makinson in recent weeks.

I think Clough gets the flack, for the lack of other props. Clough is the workhorse type prop, minimal offloads but will keep going forwards all match. Those on top dollar are the ones who should be able to give us that bit extra, but at the moment we are just happy to see them going forwards, because they were not even doing that earlier in the season.

The game TP had against Wigan is they kind of game the rest of the props should have been giving us all year for the money they are on. In the world of the cap you have those players on the big money to provide the extra special stuff and then the rest are the ones who are dependable and small on errors.

However our top dollar players have not been producing the form we expected and so we look to others who don't have the same ability to try and fill that gap. Some of it is down to the players, other is down to players playing in the wrong position.

ie Lance, La Franki

Do you want him to sing? Do you want him to dance?

That's like saying you wouldn't sign Tomkins as all he does is score tries.

Reckon it will be Swift given more game time at full back. Just like all the other younger players he needs to know how to read the game, it's a fine balance getting inexperienced players in their potential position without having a negative effect on the game result.

No I don't want him to sing or dance you idiot, it's rugby league and not x factor.

I expect him to put himself about a little more, that's all said!

Christ, you'd think I'm saying he's rubbish with your silly post, I've even saud if he upped his game that he could grab a England shirt.

On the flip side, I'd have kept emmitt before clough.

I havnt read the entire thread so I dont know if this has already been said, but wellens has taken a HUGE cut on his wage, so its not all that bad really.

How do you know this?

Not doubting what you say, just curious as to your sources.

Is he?

Great post.

Are you a teacher?

Yes. He played at fullback when New Zealand won the world cup. That makes him an experienced world cup winning fullback.

Hopefully, but we don't know that. From McManus' bizarre programme and press release soundbites it seems he genuinely believes he's one of the best players in the world. It wouldn't surprise me if he's still on a huge wedge.

Yeh it would have been much better for McManus to constantly bag the players and say we are just signing you as a backup in case Makinson falls flat on his face.

[iRegarding the news of Wellens's contract extension, club chairman Eamon MCManus had this to say:
"He's a bit crap these days, but we couldn't find anyone better."[/i

I see Wellens has been voted runner up for the Player of the Year, wait for it, voted by ..........................THE SUPPORTERS CLUB.

Isn't the supporters club folding at the end of this season? For lack of support. There was an interview with one of their key people a few weeks back in the Star. Their support has dropped considerably since leaving Knowsley Road apparently and they can't afford whatever it is that Saints charge them for a room.

This forum and redvee are essentially the supporters club now, I'm the new leader. We don't need a lot of anorak wearing, flask carrying, programme collecting middle aged men.

Shut the door behind you, then.

Saddened,if your the leader then make sure you have a direct line to the samaritans.

We need to keep the likes of Saddened and Saints Fan, its always interesting to read a minority point of view with a dogmatic stance that does not waiver.

If only the Wigan board had the same view point, their ban on saddened has limited their breadth of knowledge.

Dogmatic stance? You mean a view that doesn't coincide with your own? I'm no more or less dogmatic than anyone else on here. I can't remember when I last read a post in which a poster actually changed their mind.

it all depends what these players are on. Cloughie is very underated by some fans imo. Meli, well if we're not in a grand final he's a good strong winger/centre still. Wello, well if he's on a lower wage and is there to help makinson/Ashe/whoever develop into our future 1 it makes sense. if he is still on top wages and is our first choice 1 everytime then its at best short sighted