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| Good grief, is he ever 'Not Injured'
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| With us having a week off we could be heading into unchartered territory with the chances of Wheels making it 3 on the bounce.
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| Quote ="Supersaint"With us having a week off we could be heading into unchartered territory with the chances of Wheels making it 3 on the bounce.'"
Our conditioning team don,t have a good track record of getting players up and running after injury though. Percival had a dead leg which lasted around 3 to 4 weeks so if we add the "Wheeler Factor" it could be 6 weeks.
Hope he's not standing up all day in the burger van.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Our conditioning team don,t have a good track record of getting players up and running after injury though. Percival had a dead leg which lasted around 3 to 4 weeks so if we add the "Wheeler Factor" it could be 6 weeks.'"
You're assuming there that their ongoing absence was due to injury rather than selection. Tinkerman could simply be hiding his tinkering ways behind injury.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"You're assuming there that their ongoing absence was due to injury rather than selection. Tinkerman could simply be hiding his tinkering ways behind injury.'"
Why the hell would he do that ?
He openly said he dropped lance for the Leeds away game and we've had Turner, Dawson and jones injured so why would he not pick Percy?
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| Quote ="St pete"Why the hell would he do that ?
He openly said he dropped lance for the Leeds away game and we've had Turner, Dawson and jones injured so why would he not pick Percy?
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We all thought Jones and Percival were still injured until last week it leaked that they had played for Rochdale. So they were available to play last week but didn't play. So you tell me, why did he not pick Percy?
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"We all thought Jones and Percival were still injured until last week it leaked that they had played for Rochdale. So they were available to play last week but didn't play. So you tell me, why did he not pick Percy?'"
Probably same reason why many of our players have played for them. To give them a run out and gain some match fitness.
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| Quote ="St pete"Probably same reason why many of our players have played for them. To give them a run out and gain some match fitness.'"
How many of our players have played for Rochdale this season?
Did Amor play for them before he came back from his injury?
Did Walsh play for them before he came back from his injury?
Surely they would have needed to gain match fitness too?
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"How many of our players have played for Rochdale this season?
Did Amor play for them before he came back from his injury?
Did Walsh play for them before he came back from his injury?
Surely they would have needed to gain match fitness too?'"
He's a young lad and should be looked after. He came back and played at Leeds so obviously rates him, he's just give him a new deal at the club so other than him not being fit or discipline reasons I can't see why he'd say he's injured if not.
Just like Wigan are sending England international and super leagues leading try scorer last season out to Workington.
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| Quote ="St pete"He's a young lad and should be looked after. He came back and played at Leeds so obviously rates him, he's just give him a new deal at the club so other than him not being fit or discipline reasons I can't see why he'd say he's injured if not.'"
I didn't say he was [inever[/i injured (although that of course is a possibility as I don't remember him leaving the field injured). I simply suggested that the reason behind him remaining out of the team was not necessarily injury, and indeed the fact that he and Jones (who has otherwise been a shoo-in for a spot) both played at Rochdale last week more than suggests his continued absence was not injury related. Jones wouldn't need a refresher at Rochdale as he had only missed one game and he missed that because RFL rules require him to miss a week following signs of concussion.
Everyone knows that Brown tinkers with the team. The club will also know that this frustrates the fans, because I know for a fact that the club does keep its ear to the ground in this regard. By simply not commenting on what may have originally been a genuine injury, it is easy for Brown to tinker as he always wants to and the fans to be none the wiser.
That's me speculating though, just as you are.
As for Percival being a 'young lad', he is older than Thompson, who has played a few games in succession now.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"How many of our players have played for Rochdale this season?
Did Amor play for them before he came back from his injury?
Did Walsh play for them before he came back from his injury?
Surely they would have needed to gain match fitness too?'"
Those are seasoned professionals, Percival is not. My Barrow mates who I work with said Percival had a quiet game didn't look mobile and had heavy strapping on his leg so maybe Brown just gave him a run out to see if there is any injury reaction. Must have been a bad injury to be out so long, I suppose a "dead leg" recovery time is unpredictable.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Those are seasoned professionals, Percival is not. '"
What difference does that make? Surely the nature of the injury is what determines whether someone needs drip feeding back into the team? He's still playing against fully fledged adults in Championship 1 even if the pace is slower. And that doesn't explain Jones playing for Rochdale. He's had more experience than Percival.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"What difference does that make? Surely the nature of the injury is what determines whether someone needs drip feeding back into the team? He's still playing against fully fledged adults in Championship 1 even if the pace is slower. And that doesn't explain Jones playing for Rochdale. He's had more experience than Percival.'"
Id suggest the difference is Walsh and Amor are major, major players for us and even if half fit/off the pace then they're better off in the starting line up.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"What difference does that make? Surely the nature of the injury is what determines whether someone needs drip feeding back into the team? He's still playing against fully fledged adults in Championship 1 even if the pace is slower. And that doesn't explain Jones playing for Rochdale. He's had more experience than Percival.'"
Because not everything is "Black and White", experienced pro's know how to handle there bodies and play with an injury to get through a superleague game............Percival has NO EXPERIENCE at all to do that at this level. We may also have a similar Scenario with Sav.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Because not everything is "Black and White", experienced pro's know how to handle there bodies and play with an injury to get through a superleague game............Percival has NO EXPERIENCE at all to do that at this level. We may also have a similar Scenario with Sav.'"
Eh? Percival was in and out of the first team last year so your point isn't even accurate. And you still haven't accounted for Jones who has been a regular first team player throughout Brown's time with us.
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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"Id suggest the difference is Walsh and Amor are major, major players for us and even if half fit/off the pace then they're better off in the starting line up.'"
No coach will ever get any praise off her unless Royce comes back.
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| Quote ="St pete":3pd7p45aI've totally lost the argument but I can't bear to admit it.'"
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"[Edited for accuracy'"
Just keep telling yourself that just like you dream of Royce coming back.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Eh? Percival was in and out of the first team last year so your point isn't even accurate. And you still haven't accounted for Jones who has been a regular first team player throughout Brown's time with us.'"
Are you trying to convince me that Percival or Jones are "Season Pro's".
I think you are getting confused in comparison to the understanding majority.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Are you trying to convince me that Percival or Jones are "Season Pro's".
I think you are getting confused in comparison to the understanding majority.'"
She just can't help having a dig at any coach post Royce.
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| Quote ="St pete"She just can't help having a dig at any coach post Royce.'"
To be fair, we've not had a decent coach in that period and we still don't.
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| Maybe, just maybe. Brown isnt tinkering but is rewarding those who have taken their chance whilst Pervical and Jones were missing? Whilst using Rochdale to give them two a run? Or is that just too outlandish an idea?
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| Quote ="JLM23"Maybe, just maybe. Brown isnt tinkering but is rewarding those who have taken their chance whilst Pervical and Jones were missing? Whilst using Rochdale to give them two a run? Or is that just too outlandish an idea?'"
OUT OUT I SAY. Be gone with your wild theories.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Are you trying to convince me that Percival or Jones are "Season Pro's". I think you are getting confused in comparison to the understanding majority.'"
Well, given it was your post I was originally responding to, maybe you can educate us all:
Posted by Judder Man:
Quote Our conditioning team don,t have a good track record of getting players up and running after injury though. Percival had a dead leg which lasted around 3 to 4 weeks so if we add the "Wheeler Factor" it could be 6 weeks. Hope he's not standing up all day in the burger van.'"
So you are the 'understanding majority'?
Here's my response to that post of yours:
Quote You're assuming there that their ongoing absence was due to injury rather than selection. Tinkerman could simply be hiding his tinkering ways behind injury.'"
You brought Percival into it. Pete's gone off on one of his childish and boring tirades and Shadows has added his usual sanctimonious fullstop. All I did was echo what everyone, including the aforementioned, has accused Brown of ever since he got here: tinkering. I simply posited a possibility. You lot all took off on one.
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| Quote ="JLM23"Maybe, just maybe. Brown isnt tinkering but is rewarding those who have taken their chance whilst Pervical and Jones were missing? Whilst using Rochdale to give them two a run? Or is that just too outlandish an idea?'"
Nope. Perfectly possible and I'd agree with him too.
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