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| I think that Hock completely over-reacts in the scrum; why on Earth does he start throwing punches?! He looked like a bit of a prat doing that and he ultimately ignites something that has overshadowed the game really and could potentially have overshadowed the weekend.
Well done LMS who does not react (hence no action against him) to Hock's ridiculous 'losing his head' moment. Hock is an outstanding RL player, there is no denying that, but what happens if the Aussies wind him up and he reacts badly in a world cup semi/final as they are bound to try and wind him up? His ability is unquestionable, but what is questionable is his temperament and discipline and they are two crucial factors in international rugby.
As for Magennis: attacking Tuson was completely foolish and he got what he deserved really, but for Wigan fans to pin-point him in all of this is a little unfair as let's not forget what, or more appropriately who, started the whole thing.
As for biff I don't condone it really, but the risk of it happening is high because of the physicality of the sport; players do not go out onto the pitch to fight do they? Thankfully this is not the norm as incidents are rare.
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| Quote ="Albion"I think that Hock completely over-reacts in the scrum; why on Earth does he start throwing punches?! '"
Because he couldn't bring his club onto the field.
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| Hock is just another Newton. Its just a matter of time before he faces a long lay off again. Once an idiot always an idiot. Wigan fans can blah blah all they like they know it.
Hock 5-6 games for trying to head butt in the scrum and causing the whole thing and given his previous. IMHO this guy should never have been allowed to play RL again, I think the RFL is a Joke.
The others 2-3 games for handbags.
Personally I give Magennis +1 for at least having some passion unlike all the other jokers playing for Saints last night.
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| Quote ="Albion"As for biff I don't condone it really, but the risk of it happening is high because of the physicality of the sport; players do not go out onto the pitch to fight do they? Thankfully this is not the norm as incidents are rare.'"
Of course, it's going to happen from time to time. But when it does, the aggressors should receive appropriate bans and so should those who go over the top. LMS stood up to Hock in the scrum so Hock just saw red and start lashing out. Magennis and Tuson have a go at each other and Magennis lashes out at him. Both Hock and Magennis should cop the biggest bans as the aggressors. But then Tuson showed how not to react by wildly retaliating. Mossop then unecessarily threw one when everyone else was by then trying to stop it.
Wigan should probably lose Hock, Tuson and Mossop from the fight itself and McIllorum from the tackle after it and the loss of control he suffered. Not great behaviour given the game was over and their player was the cause of it all. I think that having so many in disciplinary trouble will probably either reduce the bans or negate them entirely in some cases. The RFL seems to have a quota system for bans and are unlikely to ban four from the same team. Leeds must be pretty excited about the disciplinary panel this week though. For us, I can see Magennis getting a decent ban and probably Wilkin, depending on how serious a look the RFL take at the game itself. They may decide they've filled their quota from the brawl and ignore Wilkin and McIllorum.
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| Lets hope magennis is banned for a good few games, I would rather Dixon in the team anyway. Or does Rush not like him either?
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| Quote ="Mugwump"Because he couldn't bring his club onto the field.'"
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| Sorry but i'm glad Magennis did what he did, About time someone stood up to the wigan pack.
Where is the Perry who beat the hell out of Peacock a few years ago?
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"Sorry but i'm glad Magennis did what he did, About time someone stood up to the wigan pack.
Where is the Perry who beat the hell out of Peacock a few years ago?'"
Sat on the bench where he spends most of his time.
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"Sorry but i'm glad Magennis did what he did, About time someone stood up to the wigan pack.
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LMS did that but he used his brain as well, unlike Magennis, and so got no ban at all.
Not sure Magennis stood up to anyone actually. He just picked a fight so far as I could see. Had he actually been a really good player that would have resulted in his absence for 3 to 5 weeks.
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"
Where is the Perry who beat the hell out of Peacock a few years ago?'"
Exactly....
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| Quote ="Saddened!" But to dismiss Hock's attempts to break LMS' nose in the scrum as 'just props doing what props do' is rather silly. Organised violence between forwards has been out of the game for 20 years now. There are enough avenues to channel legal aggression through in the game without allowing players to strike each other.
Anyone suggesting it's okay 'to have a bit of biff' need to wake up. A professional rugby player striking to the head could easily kill. All it takes is a bleed and we could see a player lose his life. It's a part of the game we don't need and shouldn't condone as 'biff' when it happens.
I think the RFL should send a message and use the three dualists as an example. Hock should get 5-6 given his previous, Magennis the same and Tuson 4. They should also ban McIllorum for his tackle after the incident and for his complete loss of control.'"
I take it you've never watched State of Origin.
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"Sorry but i'm glad Magennis did what he did, About time someone stood up to the wigan pack.
Where is the Perry who beat the hell out of Peacock a few years ago?'"
Just wondering why you make storys up perry didnt knock the hell out of peacock. do you always tell lies? or is this a mod thing we have to agree with what you say or we get banned.Not saying he didnt get a couple of digs in but so did peacock.
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| Quote ="hare&hounds"Just wondering why you make storys up perry didnt knock the hell out of peacock. do you always tell lies? or is this a mod thing we have to agree with what you say or we get banned.Not saying he didnt get a couple of digs in but so did peacock.'"
you can disagree with me all you like, but you really can't think the Peacock came off better?
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"you can disagree with me all you like, but you really can't think the Peacock came off better?'"
did i say that he did there you go again making storys up.
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| Quote ="hare&hounds"did i say that he did
there you go again making storys up.'"
so i made things up when i said Perry battered Peacock but when i asked you to confirm the same (which you have)?
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"so i made things up when i said Perry battered Peacock but when i asked you to confirm the same (which you have)?'"
Are you really that thick or are you taking the p*** .were did i confirm the same. You said perry battered peacock i said they both got a couple of digs in THAT DOSENT MEAN PERRY BATTERD PEACOCK THAT MEANS THEY BOTH GIVE LIKE FOR LIKE HOW THE HELL YOUR A MOD IS BEONED ME.
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| Quote ="hare&hounds"Are you really that thick or are you taking the p*** .were did i confirm the same. You said perry battered peacock i said they both got a couple of digs in THAT DOSENT MEAN PERRY BATTERD PEACOCK THAT MEANS THEY BOTH GIVE LIKE FOR LIKE
HOW THE HELL YOUR A MOD IS BEONED ME.'"
if you think they both gave like for like in that incident, we have very different opinions, and theres no need to shout! May i suggest some anger management?
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| Quote ="hare&hounds"
did i say that he did
there you go again making storys up.'"
Quote ="hare&hounds"Are you really that thick or are you taking the p*** .were did i confirm the same. You said perry battered peacock i said they both got a couple of digs in THAT DOSENT MEAN PERRY BATTERD PEACOCK THAT MEANS THEY BOTH GIVE LIKE FOR LIKE
HOW THE HELL YOUR A MOD IS BEONED ME.'"
Random hissy fit over nothing? Perry definitely battered Peacock.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Of course, it's going to happen from time to time. But when it does, the aggressors should receive appropriate bans and so should those who go over the top. LMS stood up to Hock in the scrum so Hock just saw red and start lashing out. Magennis and Tuson have a go at each other and Magennis lashes out at him. Both Hock and Magennis should cop the biggest bans as the aggressors. But then Tuson showed how not to react by wildly retaliating. Mossop then unecessarily threw one when everyone else was by then trying to stop it.
Wigan should probably lose Hock, Tuson and Mossop from the fight itself and McIllorum from the tackle after it and the loss of control he suffered. Not great behaviour given the game was over and their player was the cause of it all. I think that having so many in disciplinary trouble will probably either reduce the bans or negate them entirely in some cases. The RFL seems to have a quota system for bans and are unlikely to ban four from the same team. Leeds must be pretty excited about the disciplinary panel this week though. For us, I can see Magennis getting a decent ban and probably Wilkin, depending on how serious a look the RFL take at the game itself. They may decide they've filled their quota from the brawl and ignore Wilkin and McIllorum.'"
Nice to read an unbiased opinion on the site..(I don't think)
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| Quote ="Poyser11"Random hissy fit over nothing? Perry definitely battered Peacock.'"
Strange, so many Saints supporters are outraged at the so called mindless violence perpetrated by some Wigan players, but seem to applaud violence from one of their own.....Double standards, or is it just bias?
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"if you think they both gave like for like in that incident, we have very different opinions, and theres no need to shout! May i suggest some anger management?'"
this just shows how thick you are how did he get battered did peacock end up on floor did peacock have blood all over him? no so how can he of got battered or is it that your that thick you think some one getting punched is battered i suggest you watch a rerun of the fight and get back to me . next you will tell me magennis didn't get dropped by mosop
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| Quote ="hare&hounds"this just shows how thick you are how did he get battered did peacock end up on floor did peacock have blood all over him? no so how can he of got battered or is it that your that thick you think some one getting punched is battered i suggest you watch a rerun of the fight and get back to me . next you will tell me magennis didn't get dropped by mosop'"
I don't have anything to say regarding the Peacock v Perry incident. However, how you can call anybody thick with the diabolical standard of your spelling and grammar is beyond me. This isn't a grammar Nazi rant, just pointing out the blind hypocrisy your post is riddled with.
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| Quote ="BackrowSaint"I don't have anything to say regarding the Peacock v Perry incident. However, how you can call anybody thick with the diabolical standard of your spelling and grammar is beyond me. This isn't a grammar Nazi rant, just pointing out the blind hypocrisy your post is riddled with.'"
Sorry Sir but i didn't write that one. It was seen buy others who added their comments.
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| Quote ="hare&hounds"Sorry Sir but i didn't write that one. It was seen buy others who added their comments.'"
That comment wasn't much better either.
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| Quote ="hare&hounds"Sorry Sir but i didn't write that one. It was seen buy others who added their comments.'"
Anyway back to the fight, as only 3 people got cards and only 4 have been cited. Then the impartial eyes would suggest that Hock was at fault for kicking it all off, but Magennis came out of it with the least respect and one or two wiganers took it too far.
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