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| The names in our pack make it look superb but, just like in the GF, it was out performed by a perhaps more modest list of names who shared the workload, played as a team and showed more determination to win.
We looked lost for go forward whenever we had one of TP or Grham of the pitch.
On about 65 mins, Soliola made a hit up shortly after a kickoff and flattened the first tackler and it was the first time I recalled anyone running with any venom all night.
Our bench is weak. If Clough and Perry retuned that would solve that, but we'll still not beat the like of Wigan and Wire if we play like we're scared of them.
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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"We looked lost for go forward whenever we had one of TP or Grham of the pitch.'"
We looked lost for go-forward full stop, whether Jammer or TP were on the pitch or not. In the first half especially. I don't think we were up for the fight.
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| According to todays League Express.
Magennis made 24 metres and Ashurst 7 metres.
Coley made 157 metres and Prescott made 108 metres.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Magennis made 24 metres and Ashurst 7 metres.'"
Deary me. That is pathetic - they should be ashamed of themselves.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Deary me. That is pathetic - they should be ashamed of themselves.'"
Yep, the should. But it just goes to show how they are just not ready. We need Perry and Moore and Clough in there.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"According to todays League Express.
Magennis made 24 metres and Ashurst 7 metres.
Coley made 157 metres and Prescott made 108 metres.'"
How about Roby and Graham?
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| Quote ="Saddened!"How about Roby and Graham?'"
Roby 142 metres Graham 110 metres.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Roby 142 metres Graham 110 metres.'"
Roby is still impressive given that there were zero quick play the balls on Friday. Graham has dropped a good 50m this season compared to last year.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Roby is still impressive given that there were zero quick play the balls on Friday. Graham has dropped a good 50m this season compared to last year.'"
Quick play the balls, Saints 4 - Wigan 4, from the same League Express stats.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"According to todays League Express.
Magennis made 24 metres and Ashurst 7 metres.
Coley made 157 metres and Prescott made 108 metres.'"
I could trip up coming out the tunnel and make more than 7 metres
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| Did we have the ball in attack whilst Ashurst was on the pitch????
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"Did we have the ball in attack whilst Ashurst was on the pitch????'"
He dropped it on Wigan's try line after being flattened by Coley. Don't think he touched it again after that
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"Did we have the ball in attack whilst Ashurst was on the pitch????'"
I think it was cruel to put him out there, actually! But we had no choice given our lack of Moore and Perry.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I think it was cruel to put him out there, actually!'"
Why? He's far more experienced than, say, Chris Tuson who played for Wigan. I'd assume Ashurst has made double Tuson's SL appearances.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Why? He's far more experienced than, say, Chris Tuson who played for Wigan. I'd assume Ashurst has made double Tuson's SL appearances.'"
Ashurst has probably made as many as Mossop.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Why? He's far more experienced than, say, Chris Tuson who played for Wigan. I'd assume Ashurst has made double Tuson's SL appearances.'"
That doesn't make him up to the job. Or big enough for it.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Ashurst has probably made as many as Mossop.'"
Precisely. He's never going to be good enough for Saints.
I still see it as Magennis > Dixon > Ashurst but I'm not confident any will be anything other than average at best. I still have reasonably high hopes for Magennis though.
Mossop, on the other hand, could go on to be on of GB's best in my opinion.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"That doesn't make him up to the job. Or big enough for it.'"
He's the same size as Jon Wilkin and bigger than Liam Farrell, they're both far better players.
His size isn't the main issue, the main issue is that he lacks the aggression to play in the pack.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"His size isn't the main issue, the main issue is that he lacks the aggression to play in the pack.'"
True. Either way, I don't think he's up to it. I'm not one to jump to that kind of conclusion about young players but I think he's been around long enough now to be showing us what he's made of. I don't think Ashurst, Dixon or Magennis are up to it although Magennis is probably the best of the three, his tendency to drop the ball at important times aside.
I think it's time to start trying out some new youngsters in the position to see if they don't have more to offer.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"True. Either way, I don't think he's up to it. I'm not one to jump to that kind of conclusion about young players but I think he's been around long enough now to be showing us what he's made of. I don't think Ashurst, Dixon or Magennis are up to it although Magennis is probably the best of the three, his tendency to drop the ball at important times aside.
I think it's time to start trying out some new youngsters in the position to see if they don't have more to offer.'"
Joe Greenwood was superb for Saints in their U20 game v Wigan at Orrell in April. He looked a very good prospect.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Joe Greenwood was superb for Saints in their U20 game v Wigan at Orrell in April. He looked a very good prospect.'"
He's been given a first team shirt in recent weeks, as has Jordan Hand and Warren Thompson. Only Warren Thompson got a debut during our injury crisis period though. However, we shouldn't need to wait for injuries to give debuts.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Why? He's far more experienced than, say, Chris Tuson who played for Wigan. I'd assume Ashurst has made double Tuson's SL appearances.'"
A run by Tuson and a run by Ashurst summed up the night.
Tuson, who I've never thought of anything more than a good club youngster, came on and took the ball up with real bite, making decent yards and landing on his front.
Shortly after it was Ashurst's turn and he jogged, slowly, onto the ball and got dumped right next to the previous PTB.
Magennis does seem to have some capability for good offloads and good lines, but he gets dominated a lot in contact.
I've always been very positve about the 3 of the young back rows, but seeing the difference in strength when flanders (who's no star) is taking the ball up shows they're way behind where you want.
That said, I remember thinking Paul Clough was too small when I first saw him. So even I'm wrong sometimes.
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| Wire will definitely look to dominate in the same way the goons did, exploiting the act that we have zero impact from the bench. I think the only player that has offered any form of impact this season is Scott Moore - brain explosions aside.
Dixon/Ashurst/Magennis - at the moment average with potential
TP quiet since new contract signed
Graham - still our best forward in terms of effort and contribution
LMS - Not as much impact as we would have hoped for - but appears enthusiastic
Perry - lacking match fitness but we could do with seeing some form sooner rather than later
On the plus side we can have had excellent seasons so far from Roby & Wilkin
Soliola improving & Flannery has had a promising return from injury.
I still personally wouldn't swap any of the above for Sean (swinging arms ninny) O'loughlin thank you very much
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| Quote ="Iansaintgeorge"
I still personally wouldn't swap any of the above for Sean (swinging arms ninny) O'loughlin thank you very much'"
Go on then, I'll bite. You were doing OK until the above
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| Quote ="Dave Q"Go on then, I'll bite. You were doing OK until the above
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Well it can't be all serious, you have to drop in a crowd pleaser...
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