You can achieve less and still have a sound base for winning the title. I doubt Leeds fans are saying they've no chance next year yet they finished fifth in your Super League.



It is.



That '96 side needed defence. The year before it was awful.

Classic.

1 - Drop the door mat
2 - Play Makinson at fullback
3 - Promote Lee Gaskell to 6
4 - Play Hohaia from the bench

Boom! Two of the 3 problem positions are sorted. And that's before I go hunting for players.

Realistically the club has to do the above. It also has to start getting itself in gear with recruitment. Good players ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE available. In the past few seasons we COULD have signed Hardaker, Ratchford, Eden, Hill, Dureau and Bateman, for a combined outlay of about the equivalent of a Ford Mondeo.

True.

Big difference here: they have actually won the title in recent years. We haven't won so much as a Blue Peter badge.

and the only difference between us and that leeds team is an effective 6,7 and 13

Typo corrected

The scope of 'sound base' is highly subjective and entirely dependant on your perspective...hence the pointless debate!

We have as much of a 'sound base' as every team except from Leeds.

Leeds sign Joel Moon, we sign Jordan Turner. Does anyone feel short changed?

Considering that he'll have cost a bit of money and the fact he was reported to be homesick, I don't personally.

Joel who??? www.superleague.co.uk/player/2394 www.superleague.co.uk/player/2810 not exactly tearing Turner a new one. Saddened you are becoming more of a troll than Rogues. Lightn up This would be the same Joel moon who is a last minute choice after Keith Lulia www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/20140136

Joel who??? www.superleague.co.uk/player/2394 www.superleague.co.uk/player/2810 not exactly tearing Turner a new one. Saddened you are becoming more of a troll than Rogues. Lightn up This would be the same Joel moon who is a last minute choice after Keith Lulia www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/20140136

Quote ="bewareshadows"Joel who??? www.superleague.co.uk/player/2394 www.superleague.co.uk/player/2810 not exactly tearing Turner a new one. Saddened you are becoming more of a troll than Rogues. Lightn up This would be the same Joel moon who is a last minute choice after Keith Lulia www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/20140136'" Leeds tried to sign Joel moon at the back end if last year, he certainly not a last minute choice and he's a very very good centre. Joel moon is a wingers centre as is Lulia and both are much better than Turner. Turner has a raw talent and let's hope Brown can bring him on a level.

Quote ="bewareshadows"Joel who??? www.superleague.co.uk/player/2394 www.superleague.co.uk/player/2810 not exactly tearing Turner a new one. Saddened you are becoming more of a troll than Rogues. Lightn up This would be the same Joel moon who is a last minute choice after Keith Lulia www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/20140136'" Leeds tried to sign Joel moon at the back end if last year, he certainly not a last minute choice and he's a very very good centre. Joel moon is a wingers centre as is Lulia and both are much better than Turner. Turner has a raw talent and let's hope Brown can bring him on a level.

Joel Moon looked great for Salford during his first season. Slipped somewhat during 2012 but then so did Salford as a whole.

Moon first season was in 2012 he was Salfords best player by a mile but got injured half way through the season

I thought his first season was 2011? He was in place while they were still at the Willows, I'm sure of it.

No first season in 2012 I remember watching him in the centres for nz warriors. In 2011

Turner and Moons stats are not a million miles apart, although moon is ahead in offloads, Turner has the lead on tackle busts. So I suppose it shows them as 2 different kinds of centre, someone who offloads in the tackle or someone who can punch through a tackle.

The was a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes at Salford.

What right now, Wellens by a snip. You would just have to tell him Ben Thaler is standing at the end and he is going to give a try without going to the screen.

In the 80's Maggie by a distance.

Is Moon quota? Then he wasn't an option and it really isn't worth discussing as a comparison.

You don't think that stops Sad-end moaning though do you?

You are so quick to hide behind quotas and your mantra of 'there's no one available, wah, wah, wah', when the truth is that players of great quality change clubs every year. Players can also leave, if you put a man in a position where you tell him he's not wanted, he'll more often than not choose to fly home.

The likes of Hardaker, Eden, Broughton, Dixon, Moon, Dureau, Hill, Ratchford and Taylor could all be playing for Saints. It's the club's fault it's recruitment has been so awful.

Imagine:

1 - Hardaker
2 - Broughton
3 - Moon
4 - Ratchford
5 - Dixon
6 - Gaskell
7 - Dureau
8 - Hill
9 - Roby
10 - Puletua
11 - Manu
12 - Soliola
13 - Laffranchi

Pace and individual threat in the backs, creativity and a superb kicking game in the halves, and Hill added to our pack. We'd clean up. None of the above names were out of our reach in terms of signings either, it's just our squad development is done by an investment banker who doesn't have the faintest idea of how to run the on field side of a professional rugby league team.

Although Eamon has worked wonders to stabilise the club's finances and build the stadium, he's also destroyed any chance we had of winning a trophy. It's time for him to step back from the coal face and let someone else have a go, give them the purse strings to make the side successful again and show some ambition again.

Looks a reasonably good team. You wouldn't get that under the cap though, unless of course they are the only 13 players you want us to have!

That team would have to score 30 plus points a game, because defensively it would be great to play against. The more I read of your posts the more I am convinced you are a top class wind up merchant, either that or you know nowt about Rugby League.

Most teams would struggle so badly for field position against that pack and those halves that they wouldn't get chance to even test the defensive line out and even then I don't see any major defensive liabilities in that lineup.

I doubt it. No matter how light on her cloven hooves she was, she wouldn't have won because I'd have dashed out of the crowd and clotheslined the evil, vindictive cow.