Rush said he only wanted to do the job as long as needed, however if you remember when daniel anderson came in, he had about 4 or 5 weeks with the players and coaching staff taking the lead. I think after 4 or 5 games the season will be pretty much done, so Rush maybe in charge still at least until the wembley weekend to give the players a good full 2 weeks. Having said that Brown is hired for next year so may not start until next year????

At the moment this changes nothing at Saints until Saints decided what to do!!

Aiiiii he is a top class coach alright and we have the trophy's to show for it at Huddersfield. He has spent upto cap for last 3 seasons and brought numerous internationals to the club.

Be prepared for the mid season dip season after season and woe betide if a job in Oz comes up cos he has been leaving every season at the Giants, Saints will be no different cos he utimately wants a job in Oz, he probably won't get one though cos he isn't good enough.

We should have got shut a while ago when he starts all this playing a small pack rubbish with second rowers and hookers a plenty. We might then have still been up near top of league and visiting Wembley.

Glad to get shut of him and hope he doesn't damage your club cos Saints ain't one of the teams I dislike.

I'll put money on him winning something with saints during his 3 years at saints.

With respect, the hudds squad is a mid table squad that can ouch above it's weight and then expeditions get to high.

Next year he will have a much better squad of players, he will be fired up to prove the likes of you wrong and we also have the best training facilities in super league.

I don't buy into the "leaving for Aus" thing with him now.
There's no more "look how well he's doing with an unfashionable team". He's coaching Saints now. If he can't win a trophy with them, then he's not good enough for a coaching job in the premier RL competetion.
If he wins a trophy (or two) then leaves, well, it could be worse.

i really hope its the winning trophy's and playing open exciting rugby streak

Not sure there is this almighty difference between the Saints and Giants squads.

Unless he gets a lucky set of CC draws I would put money on you not reaching a final under Brown . Not a pop at saints, just the limitations of Brown.

IMO your squad is miles behind Wigan, saints, Leeds, Catalan, Warrington and hull.

The likes of grix, mcgilvery, murphy, gilmour, brown, Moore, ferguson, Lawrence and others I can't even think of are average players.

I agree with this (although I have no idea what perpetration is?

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Its a bit like in cricket having a few difficult overs to survive at the end of a days play when you bowl a side out. Far better to start the following day when you are fresh. Leave Rush and KC in charge, give him a break from what must have been a pretty stressful couple of months at Hudds. Start pre season with new plans and new tactics and a few months to drill them into the players prior to the start of next season.

Who went out of his way to sign those players, make one of them his captain and agree to contract extensions



=#FF0000grix, , murphy, gilmour, brown, Moore, ferguson,

I disagree with you on Murphy, Ferguson, Lawrence and McGilvary. All are good solid players

IMO you are utterly wrong.

Assuming your analysis is correct then:

McGilvray Grix, Murphy, Moore, Gilmour,Ferguson all given their first Giants contract by N. Brown. K Brown and Lawrence got renewed contracts under Nathan Brown....oh dear, you must think his judgement very poor (especially as one of his firts signings was Turner

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McGennis, Clough, Dixon, Wheeler, Foster, Makinson? Its easy to dismiss players.

Truth is with a salary cap every team have average players. Successful teams use the players within their limitations and make them look good Carl Ablett and Liam Farrell are two excellent examples of that.

Saints have a similar fundamental flaw that the Giants have, too light a pack, only Puletua would physically dominate anyone. Much more difficult to play pretty footy without field position or even the ball.

It's hard to attract players to "lesser" clubs so he's had to get what he can.

Saints can attract big name players, so he'll be able to sign better standard of player (providing the board back him).

He's took the giants as far as he can and now he's moving on to a better and Biggs club.

Saints will attract no-one better than the a giants can, you named numerous Giants players you list as not good enough, I could list numerous Saints players of tw same ilk, Brown has gone to a very similar club in Saints.

You are gonna need a massive rebuild and only time will tell if Brown can get it right after 2 failed attempts?

Only time will tell but I reckon you could turn into another of Browns also rans, as we have become.

He will as someone said be going all out to prove people wrong but the question is has he got the tactical nous, as a Giant fan who has had 3 and a half years of watching his tactics and team, I would say no, he can't get his team up for matches that count and has a plan A, if that fails it goes tits up.

Oh dear, lovely pre salary cap comments there. The board will have a grasp of the salary cap. Which is why they lost out on Paea - NB was desperate to get him - and settled for Turner.

Don't even embarrass yourself by trying to argue that Turner is better than Jerry McGilvray



All this lesser clubs / bigger clubs...big names etc...its all rather quaint. Intelligent Saints fans don't indulge in that type of posturing.



brown is a fabulous assistant coach.

He's done wonders for the giants, even you should be able to see that.

I think he's a fabulous first team coach.

Hard to disagree with this:



I think it will be interesting to see how Paul Anderson goes...will he actually do any better than Brown? Anderson will probably get a grip on the dressing room, but will he be able to take them as far as Brown? I don't think so really. IMO Brown is seen as the obvious scapegoat at the Giants.

Brown seems to have taken Hudds as far as he can and seems to have lost the dressing room. Brown is still a very good coach and he doesn't become a 'bad' one overnight

Its obvious that Browns announcement mid season has effected the relationship with the players in the wrong way, perhaps in a similar way with Simmons and our own players at the beginning of the season.
I would bring in Brown next month to work with Rush and Cunningham to try and make some small adjustments to our game, we are nowhere near Wigan, Warrington and Catalans at the moment for game plans and tactics, so is it a risk worth taking.

It is a tricky one, I'm sure Mac will be tempted to bring him in to the club early even if thats just to get his feet under the table and work on plans for next year. If Brown was brought in as head coach I'd assume at least for the rest of the year both KC and Rush would remain as first team assistants

Hulls squad miles better than ours. You watch alot of Hull's games then - dear god.

Whilst Brown was with us i gave him complete support.

He recieved complete support from Ken Davy re FULL salary cap and TRANSFER money to bring players in.

He Recruited the players , he signed them he identified the targets. If players are not good enough he is responsible for recruiting them.


It was his plan to have a lightweight mobile pack. This worked in the first few games but when we were caugt out there was no plan B. We are now left with a pack which has one effective prop and an OK back up.

The rest of his props this year have been Ferguson, Gilmour , Faalogo, Larne Patrick and David Faiumu. 5 second rows ( one with long standing injury problems) and a hooker.

When NB realised we were going to struggle with the pack there was a panic buying of Tony Tonks from Fev. Wire got Chris Hill.

A little story that shows what he is like

Our conditioner last year obviously got training methods wrong. Some players went to NB and said we are not happy.

Did Brown go to the conditioner and discuss it NO.

He invited the conditioner into the changing room and told the players to tell the conditioner what they thought etc.

The players savaged him and left him in floods of tears as he was ripped to pieces. NB then walked out.
There are other salacious tales which i do not know for certain are true but he is good at telling players how good they are and definitely helps players improve.

He does not however IMHO have the man management skills to motivate or make tough decisions when it goes wrong.


A SUPERB no 2 but not a head coach.

He has taken us backwards compared to his first year here.

The only advantage Saints have over the Giants is a better and more established youth set up. Mcmanus has no more money than Davy, the Salary Cap is the same.

We will wait and see

Totally wrong, the fact is we have lost 8 out of the last 10 games. How on earth is he the scape goat? he is the coach and the buck stops with him. He has been quite clever and used the media for his own benefit. We will see what he does with your superior squad of players next season.

I would let Brown have a short break, then bring him in. The club operating as a 3 man coaching team, gradually releasing Rush into his old role which he prefers.
Cunningham and Brown could produce a working relationship that could turn into a positive for the play offs. Can,t see vast improvements though due to our lack of leadership on the pitch and inexpierenced half back roles.

Hudd's have never been more than an average side in the super league era and have flattered in the early rounds only to fail when it matters.

He was always going to be the scapegoat if anything went wrong, that [ushould [/uhave been my point.

If the players don't want to listen to him, or would rather go down their own path, then I believe that you have more of a problem than Nathan Brown.

I think most Saints fans would agree that our back line has been on the low ebb of a curve, so to compare the Saints and huddersfeild back lines and say they are comparable is not saying much.

What people are expecting though from a Saints fans point of view is that this will improve with some much needed youth having had 2 years to bed in and some of the old guard moving on for new players from outside. The big question at Saints is more over the quality of Lance and his role, the rest will fall into place around this.