ok did anyone think faz and scully deserved long bans after there fight at knowsley road? that was worse than this today

Its just because its HOCK.. anyone else no one would even be commenting,,

Now now, Hock's disciplinary record isn't actually that bad and has been hyped up by Sky.

(Let's not forget that time he slapped a ref).

Owned for the third time this season...... End of

Keys are jangling on this thread...

personally today i don't think there's much wrong with what he did. However in all the times its kicked off recently in the derby there's been a common denominator every time and that's been him. He's a great rugby player but a scumbag.

well its took you 3 games to get HOCK sent off,,, you tried your best the last 2 games to,, perry,,1st... soli 2nd,,, 3rd time lucky,, AND YOU STILL GOT HAMMERD,, hahahh,,, get over it,,,

Could that not be because your coaching staff have told your players to target him ? . If you play a team with a hothead it makes sense to try and push him over the edge.

A neutrals view on it was that LMS & Hock were tussling to get their heads in position and had a bit of a ruck. Hock got the better of it. It was handbags, 2 yellows at best.

The real dog was Magennis who totally lost it. Hitting someone from behind - dog act No1, swinging for O'Loughlin who was trying to calm the situation, dog act No2. Not wanting to condone anyone for punching but if anyone deserved a clout from Mossop it was him.

At last a very balanced and unbiased view.

You cannot beat a bit of biff, the origin game on wednesday came alight after it, no yellow never mind red cards in that game, complete over reaction, 4 yellows at the most, 2 each. After that a complete anti climax, really thought Saints might have staged a comeback, felt it on the terraces too but you are not the same outfit as last year. You are missing Big Red.

Not to be pedantic but Jennings got ten for his part in the biff. And got a weeks ban for his troubles too.

Only one player will be getting a lengthy ban after causing that brawl and it's Gaz Hock. His record of 2 year ban for drugs, gouging, pushing ref and all the other things he's done wont help.

If Magennis has hit him from behind then it's wrong, if your going to fight with someone then at least have the guts to stand toe to toe.

At the end of the day we ain't going to miss Magennis as he's basically rubbish and should be shipped out ASAP but I've a feeling you men will miss gaz hock a little more.

The most sensible comment in this whole thread.

Hock pushing the ref? Nope, grabbed his arm to complain about something.

And going on your logic, you could lose most of the team and not miss them.

we didnt miss HOCK when he got sent of with 20 odd mins to go,,, just shows how crap your team really is now, anyone but HOCK.. and nothing would have been said,,, get over HOCK.. and start worrying about your own players,,,

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If your looking for a heated debate then you've found the wrong person, I know our team isnt very good, I've been saying for past 2yrs

Sounds like a perfect description of Sean Long.

In fairness there are a few bad boys about in our sport but it isn't a game for cherubic faced choir boys really is it.

Can you tell me honestly that you would not like to see him playing for Saints? If you say "No" I think there will be a few more than me who wouldn't believe you.

Pity it happened as it just became a bad tempered affair after the scrap and would have been better all round if they had all been given 10 minutes to cool down and then got on with it

Think you did you idiot; look at the score after he went including the LMS try. You just didn't miss him enough because you had already won the game.

I woukdnt think twice about taking hock, he's a great player and one of the players I enjoy watching the most in super league but he's a loose cannon and at times can be a liability.

I've nothing against him doing big shots and getting stuck in and also like the fact he will join in and help his mates but he does silly stuff that he just don't need to do.

No arguments there St Pete, I agree with you. I'm just not a fan of folk calling others scum and the like - one thing is certain they wouldn't do it to his face

I like the reference to "silly stuff".

Sorry pete he is a thug and past proven / found guilty drug cheat - end of; and we don't need or want a thug no matter how good he is when he is behaving himself.

Gleeson was a "great player" as well but we got shut of him.

He is scum. I wouldn't say it to his face without reason as I'm a better person than him. He's a ticking timebomb and you know it.

I'd love to say it to his face if he gave me reason to. That's not to say I wouldn't probably end up face down on the pavement, as I undoubtedly would if he took offence. But to say people wouldn't say it to his face isn't true.

Am i missing something but what did Hock do that was so bad?

Punch ups at the scrum between two forwards have been regular things for as long as Rugby League has been played. There should of been no sending off and both Hock and Scarsbrook should of been sent to the sin bin to cool off.

It really is just because it was Hock isnt it? The same Saints fans who are calling for him to be banned for life probably loved Sonny Nickle and Vila Matuatia.