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| I have 2 thoughts on this:
1 Eastmond has been out for a while with a failry serious injury, bar a 30 minute run out in the friendly. In his previous games, he got injured. It makes sense to ease him back into the game, risking another few months on the sidelines would be foolish, even though the proze was a victory against Wigan. The long term view should have been to protect him for his first few games back.
2 Saints did ok, even with a poor Eastmond, and no effective stand off. Had we had a stand off (Wheeler has done nothing to convince me he can ever play at 6) and a 7 of any ability, we would have been a far stronger side. Losing Eastmond will be a blow, but far from the end of the world. Losing Graham would be a far bigger blow.
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| Fair enough then. Drop him, let him rot in reserves and bring in someone to do the job.
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| Quote ="Carlos Alberto"Fair enough then. Drop him, let him rot in reserves and bring in someone to do the job.'"
Or do what leeds did with lee smith and keep him onside and maybe he will come back when he gets bored?
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| Quote ="St pete"If he goes he goes. I'm not to fussed. It's all getting boring now, the sooner he says what he's doing the better.'"
Agreed. We don't need the disruption.
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| Let him go asap and charge yawnion for rest of his contract. Gives us room under the cap for a replacement - now who've we got? or who's available?
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| Quote ="ExiledWool"Let him go asap and charge yawnion for rest of his contract. Gives us room under the cap for a replacement - now who've we got? or who's available?'"
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| Quote ="The Chair Maker"no one'"
Then I'll shine me old boots up, put the girdle on and step in
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| Quote ="jdrocket"make what you will. [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/feb/13/st-helens-kyle-eastmond-rugby-unionGood riddance?[/url'"
Looks like the gruniad has got it spot on.
Thought he was poor at cardiff and don't really want anyone who isn't committed and who messes us around like is doing. I'd rather he went now.
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| Quote ="tommymartyn"Kyle Eastmond is injury prone.
He is a very selfish player, illustrated perfectly last season in one of the play off games when he played for a hour on one leg and would not be subbed.
Half of his problem is Martin Offiah filling his head with delusions of grandeur for his own gain.'"
1) Show me a young player who doesn't miss games through injury.
2) That would be the league game against Leeds in July when we started the match without six senior players and lost Pryce to his back injury? Kyle only played in the Huddersfield play-off semi and was brought off after 44 minutes.
3) Offiah isn't Kyle's agent anymore.
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| As I've posted already in this thread, I find it strange time for eastmond and saints to announce Kyle is leaving.
It puts a huge amount of pressure on Kyle and if saints have poor run some will turn on Kyle Saying he's not committed and we will be saying the club should not have played him.
For Kyle and the clubs sake I'd have thought they would have waited until later in the year to announce he's off.
He may well stay but the time to release it might have been better ( if he's leaving).
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| I hope he stays, he's a way off the finished article, but he's a very talented player
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"I hope he stays, he's a way off the finished article, but he's a very talented player'"
I'm not fussed if he stays or goes to be honest. Sure he has everything to be very very good player but it don't look like he wants to stay and no point in keeping a unhappy player.
I'm sure we will cope if he goes.
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| Quote ="St pete"As I've posted already in this thread, I find it strange time for eastmond and saints to announce Kyle is leaving.
It puts a huge amount of pressure on Kyle and if saints have poor run some will turn on Kyle Saying he's not committed and we will be saying the club should not have played him.
For Kyle and the clubs sake I'd have thought they would have waited until later in the year to announce he's off.
He may well stay but the time to release it might have been better ( if he's leaving).'"
Perhaps it'll be announced that he's leaving with immediate effect. That way Saint's get a little cash for him which they otherwise wouldn't get if leaves at the end of the season. Plus it would save him from the onslaught he'd receive were to say he's going yet continue to play for you for the rest of the season.
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| Quote ="LovesToSpooge"Perhaps it'll be announced that he's leaving with immediate effect. That way Saint's get a little cash for him which they otherwise wouldn't get if leaves at the end of the season. Plus it would save him from the onslaught he'd receive were to say he's going yet continue to play for you for the rest of the season.'"
If he has agreed terms with a union club then both Kyle and the union club would be silly to agree that he be sold.
The union club gets him free and Kyle gets a better wage as no fee been paid.
It will be a strange situation if he does say he's off at the end of the year.
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| Forget all the hype,forget all the talk over his potential/class/talent ect the bottom line is that if he isnt going to give 100% on the field then he is letting himself,the team and the fans down and doesnt deserve to be there
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| I'd hate to see a talented player go to Union. I hated it when Iestyn Harris, Walker and Lee Smith left Leeds. Thankfully for RL at least the last two were a failure and came back quickly.
I don't know how I'd react watching a player for Leeds who I know is going to leave to Union, because whilst I hear and understand the 'you'd do the same for the money' etc comments, I also believe these defections hurt my sport.
Anyway, I hope he stays and kicks on. Even if he does stay, he has a lot to learn to become a great scrum half - kicking game, passing gamke and timing his runs. In his favour, unlike so many he has the raw materials to make it though.
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| Quote ="brook40"Forget all the hype,forget all the talk over his potential/class/talent ect the bottom line is that if he isnt going to give 100% on the field then he is letting himself,the team and the fans down and doesnt deserve to be there'"
I don't get this and comments like it, when has Kyle ever given less than 100% ?
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| Judging by the quotes, it looks as if he's going. The 'I'm contracted with Saints until the end of the season and I'm going to do my absolute best' says it all. I hope he's staying and that is just a comment to further push his negotiations with Saints, but I fear that we'll lose a great talent to another sport. Sad times.
I'd sooner him go to Wigan and that is saying something.
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"I don't get this and comments like it, when has Kyle ever given less than 100% ?'"
your saying he gave 100% on saturday ? because the sky comentators didnt,the fans didnt,the press didnt.He should of been taken off,he was a passenger.Now be it because if injury or whatever but he was far far from 100%
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| Kyle was poor on Saturday.
I was trying to decide whether it was lack of interest or lack of fitness. I'm tempted to go for the latter.
Lack of interest would have explained the first 65 minutes, but when we were well into the comeback, there were time when Kyle got the ball and Wigan were on the back foot - easy pickings for a player of Kyles pace and power, but he still chose to pass. Even if he wasn't that comitted, the circumstances would surely mean you'd give it a bash, wouldn't it?
Let's see what next week brings.
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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"Kyle was poor on Saturday.
I was trying to decide whether it was lack of interest or lack of fitness. I'm tempted to go for the latter.'"
Well, if it was the former, he wouldn't have done things like that try-saving interception which he tracked to the line.
I don't understand the need to slate the lad after his first full match following what was serious injury. His surgeon advised only 30 minutes game time for the Huddersfield friendly and that was only just over a week ago. I am amazed that he managed the full 80 minutes considering he has had two operations and that all the signals coming from Saints were that he would likely miss the first couple of games.
Once he gets back up to speed we will see him take on the line more, kick with accuracy and pull off great passes. He was rusty on Saturday but the hit out will have done him good.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Well, if it was the former, he wouldn't have done things like that try-saving interception which he tracked to the line. '" Quite, so perhaps people shouldn't be critisising his commitment.
Quote I don't understand the need to slate the lad after his first full match following what was serious injury. His surgeon advised only 30 minutes game time for the Huddersfield friendly and that was only just over a week ago. I am amazed that he managed the full 80 minutes considering he has had two operations and that all the signals coming from Saints were that he would likely miss the first couple of games. '" You're right, which is why I think it either a lack of fitness, or perhaps just confidence in his body. Two things are causing people to over react imo - a)We have high epectations of Kyle and b)people are over critical becuase of the talks of him leaving.
Quote Once he gets back up to speed we will see him take on the line more, kick with accuracy and pull off great passes. He was rusty on Saturday but the hit out will have done him good.'" I think you're right. Lets remember, he has probably had minimal preseason practice to get things right and half back is the toughest position in a lot of regards. Getting through a derby match against the champions in one piece would be enough to boost my confidence if I were him.
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| Signing for bath in the morining
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Well, if it was the former, he wouldn't have done things like that try-saving interception which he tracked to the line.
I don't understand the need to slate the lad after his first full match following what was serious injury. His surgeon advised only 30 minutes game time for the Huddersfield friendly and that was only just over a week ago. I am amazed that he managed the full 80 minutes considering he has had two operations and that all the signals coming from Saints were that he would likely miss the first couple of games.
Once he gets back up to speed we will see him take on the line more, kick with accuracy and pull off great passes. He was rusty on Saturday but the hit out will have done him good.'"
Somebody call the chronicler of Super League because that's exactly right.
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| Quote ="tommymartyn"Signing for bath in the morining'"
Did Offiah as his agent tell you that?
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