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| Quote ="jdrocket"hmmmm okay can't argue. If that is your opinion.
I honestly see him leaving soon though.
I feel that with a new chapter in saints history books; there should be a new captain who will be the new KC or better. He had four years as a real impact captain.
Can you honestly see James Graham stayiong that long? or even half of that?
I think he is a great player. Fast becoming the best prop in super league. But he is being called down under.'"
Graham is already the natural leader and talker on the field, who has the opportunity to become Saints captain for the next 10 years. Will he stay? Who knows, many people thought KC was going to leave at times during his career. If Graham isn't the new captain, who will be? Wellens seems the most obvious choice, but is hardly a long term option. Roby is a great player, but doesn't appear to be a leader. None of the young players are ready yet to step up. Other senior players, Pryce, Wilkin? Not for me. Graham is the clear choice, overlooking him as captain may simply reinforce his view that his future lies elsewhere.
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| Quote ="Div"When we beat Australia 10-33 in Melbourne how many of those players plied their trade in the NRL ?'"
One off wins in lost series, in amongst some massive beatings. That's what UK based players give us, at best.
There is no question at all that players are better coached in Australia and are more used to playing in high intensity games. The evidence is boundless.
You only have to look at 2010 to see what an NRL assistant coach can do to experienced SL coaches.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"That's right. They should stay here.'"
You genuinely think our competition is better than the NRL?
Actually, I don't know why I'm surprised.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"You genuinely think our competition is better than the NRL? '"
I think you have no sense of humour.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I think you have no sense of humour.'"
Nah, I often find your posts hilarious.
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| You could liken us to Man Utd right now and Graham is our version of Wayne Rooney. Graham is our best player and has experienced success at the club similar to Rooney at United, but all of a sudden we're going through a slight transitional stage with a younger squad and we've lost some of our key players (Cunningham, Sculthorpe and Long) just like United have (Tevez and Ronaldo). There's plenty of talent in our young squad similar to United, but will we go to the next level and match Graham's ambitions of being the absolute best, just like Rooney has asked for at United? We've curbed our spending slightly just like United due to their debts and our new stadium, but will we be competitive in future? Now I hope, like Rooney, that Graham signs a long term deal at Saints and feels like this is home.
For me, Graham is really difficult to replace. Not only is he a quality player, but he's passionate about this club and that's something that an overseas player or a player from another club cant replicate. He's OUR product and we HAVE to do everything in our power to keep him. Balls to the NRL, I don't care about that, and I don't think Graham going there will suddenly make him a much superior player or improve England's chances against the Aussies and Kiwis. Graham is outstanding whether he's here or in the NRL and he could become a legend at this club should he sign a new deal here. I'd be devastated if he left.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Nah, I often find your posts hilarious.'"
That's spite, not a sense of humour.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"One off wins in lost series, in amongst some massive beatings. That's what UK based players give us, at best.
There is no question at all that players are better coached in Australia and are more used to playing in high intensity games. The evidence is boundless.
You only have to look at 2010 to see what an NRL assistant coach can do to experienced SL coaches.'"
That series was very , very close. A foot in touch by Offiah in the first test meant a narrow defeat and the last one at Lang Park was a close affair. I'm confident we will be soundly beaten this weekend.I actually belive for all the hype we are still poles apart. Anyway that a bit off the point.
I think you are missing my point slightly. I'm not denying for a second that the NRL is stronger as a comp- only a buffoon would argue otherwise. I dont see it as ever being any different. Australians are better at most sports. But sending some of our better players to play in the NRL surely lowers the intensity of our league ? On that basis the bulk of the very same England squad would be playing at a lower level and by its very nature negate any advantage of the few playing over there.
On a seperate point I pay my money week in week out to watch Super League and frankly I would rather the competition be as good as it can be. Lets only sign Australian players at the top of their game not at the end of the career for a payday and increase the intensity here.
Would you rather kieron Cunningham have gone to the NRL rather than being a loyal one club man who we have enjoyed watching for over a decade ? I can honestly say Im glad he didnt.
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| Quote ="Blobbynator"For me, Graham is really difficult to replace. Not only is he a quality player, but he's passionate about this club and that's something that an overseas player or a player from another club cant replicate. He's OUR product and we HAVE to do everything in our power to keep him. Balls to the NRL, I don't care about that, and I don't think Graham going there will suddenly make him a much superior player or improve England's chances against the Aussies and Kiwis. Graham is outstanding whether he's here or in the NRL and he could become a legend at this club should he sign a new deal here. I'd be devastated if he left.'"
Totally agree with this.
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| Quote ="Speed Merchant"www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/england-captain-puts-nrl-out-of-mind/story-e6frg7mf-1225944898028'"
What a nice bloke, and a sensible one. Feet firmly on the ground. I hope he stays with us.
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| I'm also hoping the first season at the new stadium is pull for Graham along with any potential signings.
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| Well if his family are to be believed..bye bye Graham
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"What a nice bloke, and a sensible one. Feet firmly on the ground. I hope he stays with us.'"
just dont try to tell him hes wrong when youve got a whistle in your hand, cos then the orange hulk explodes lol!
in all honesty, i hope he stays with saints, as he was given his chance by the club and wouldnt be a thing without them, and as mentioned before, its scarily like to rooney situation. only jammer has been nothing but respectful to your club, and i applaud him for that.
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| Quote ="MacBlondie"Well if his family are to be believed..bye bye Graham'"
like pryce was being announced as signing for you this morning?
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| Quote ="southernsaint7"like pryce was being announced as signing for you this morning?'"
weirdly MacBlondie claims to be a Saints fan....
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| Quote ="southernsaint7"like pryce was being announced as signing for you this morning?'"
lolwut? I was repeating what was written on the Bradford Forum
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| Quote ="No1 Saint"weirdly MacBlondie claims to be a Saints fan....'"
He is a union troll,and a bad one at that.
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| Quote ="cjhatesunion"He is a union troll,and a bad one at that.
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Yes of course, I enjoy both codes and this makes me a troll
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| Quote ="MacBlondie"Yes of course, I enjoy both codes and this makes me a troll'"
As far as I am concerned yes you are.
You say you enjoy both codes yet you always put RL down,this for me confirms it.
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| Quote ="Blobbynator"You could liken us to Man Utd right now and Graham is our version of Wayne Rooney. Graham is our best player and has experienced success at the club similar to Rooney at United, but all of a sudden we're going through a slight transitional stage with a younger squad and we've lost some of our key players (Cunningham, Sculthorpe and Long) just like United have (Tevez and Ronaldo). There's plenty of talent in our young squad similar to United, but will we go to the next level and match Graham's ambitions of being the absolute best, just like Rooney has asked for at United? We've curbed our spending slightly just like United due to their debts and our new stadium, but will we be competitive in future? Now I hope, like Rooney, that Graham signs a long term deal at Saints and feels like this is home.
For me, Graham is really difficult to replace. Not only is he a quality player, but he's passionate about this club and that's something that an overseas player or a player from another club cant replicate. He's OUR product and we HAVE to do everything in our power to keep him. Balls to the NRL, I don't care about that, and I don't think Graham going there will suddenly make him a much superior player or improve England's chances against the Aussies and Kiwis. Graham is outstanding whether he's here or in the NRL and he could become a legend at this club should he sign a new deal here. I'd be devastated if he left.'"
Terrific post there pal! I couldnt have worded it better myself.
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| Quote ="foz11"Terrific post there pal! I couldnt have worded it better myself.'"
Fully agree with you there. Well done Blobby on a well thought out post.
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| Quote ="Blobbynator" We've curbed our spending slightly just like United due to their debts and our new stadium, but will we be competitive in future? '"
I'm not understanding this "curb our spending" as Saints are spending the full salary cap (unless this is referring to not actually breaking the cap any more - but I doubt it).
What is meant by this?
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| It's a tough call for graham and i think he's torn between both options.
I'd love him to stay at saints as he is a world class prop but i wouldn't blame him for going in 2012.
He's still only young and has 6 good years left him in to go to oz which may work in our favour, i could see graham signing a 1yr deal and play our 1st season in our new stadium then look at the situation at the end of 2012 season.
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"I'm not understanding this "curb our spending" as Saints are spending the full salary cap (unless this is referring to not actually breaking the cap any more - but I doubt it).
What is meant by this?'"
I believe that Saints have been operating under the salary cap for the past couple of years.
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