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| Quote ="Billinge_Lump"The same reason Brown didn't? The same reason our next coach won't? The same reason Millward is at Leigh currently?'"
Come on! He couldn't even get an assistant coach job in Oz, otherwise he'd have gone. It clearly (if we are to believe his statments) was his plan to go to the NRL in some capacity and it ain't happened for him and the dulls job is a consolation job for him. The guys got to work somewhere.
The dulls board seem to share your view of the guy. It's not my view but the dulls fans seem happy enough.
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| Quote saint at wire wrote:Obviously our board didn't rate him highly enough to offer him a new contract; because otherwise why would he go to the bulls if he could have stayed with us?'"
Quote ="FearTheVee"What's that got to do with a comparison with SM? Was SM in the running for the Saints job?'"
It's nothing to do the the comparison with SM - that was an earlier post on this thread.
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| Quote ="saint at wire"It's nothing to do the the comparison with SM - that was an earlier post on this thread.'"
. . . in direct response to me rubbishing your comparison, yes.
The thing is, I think a lot of Saints fans would agree that Potter is comparable to McNamara, which is why we have some of the biggest spanner fans in RL (as well as some of the most reasonable). IMO of course.
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| Quote ="saint at wire"Come on! He couldn't even get an assistant coach job in Oz, otherwise he'd have gone. '"
How do you know that? How many assistant managers jobs are their currently available in Aus? He wanted to go back, he didn't get a job offer so took the Bradford job, so? Nobody thinks he's the next Wayne Bennett, but to rate him as slightly better than McNamara is ridiculous.
Quote It clearly (if we are to believe his statments) was his plan to go to the NRL in some capacity and it ain't happened for him and the dulls job is a consolation job for him. The guys got to work somewhere.'"
And? Do you think our next coach, whoever he is, would be taking the job if he'd been offered a head coaching role in the NRL?
Quote The dulls board seem to share your view of the guy. It's not my view but the dulls fans seem happy enough.'"
He'll be a far better coach for them than McNamara was, they've suffered a coach as bad as him, you haven't for a long while. Maybe that should tell you something.
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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"Mick's been good for us. I don't hold at all with the Potter bashers.
Not perfect mind, I'd class our loss to Hudds in the CC semi as a low point, they really bashed us off the park.
High points centre around our various victories against Leeds, the premier rivals during his tenure, especially in the cup and away at Headingly. We've played some excellent rugby, no matter what the moaners say. Obviously he goes away with 2 CC medals
Had a couple of his results been on different days, we'd be hailing him as the greatest coach since Daniel Anderson.'"
I reckon he's done OK, his original brief by the saints board if you remember was to bring young players through as we go through the phase of losing our legendary players.
The problem is he has had to do it too soon, with dissruption to the team due to injuries instead of bringing in 2 players at a time.
He's not a charismatic person which means the saints fans can,t connect with him. Yet if he gets us to a couple of grand finals and a challenge cup finals during his time with us, would this mean he is a successful coach in the eyes of opposition fans.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee". . . in direct response to me rubbishing your comparison, yes.
The thing is, I think a lot of Saints fans would agree that Potter is comparable to McNamara, which is why we have some of the biggest spanner fans in RL (as well as some of the most reasonable). IMO of course.'"
You perhaps need to include our board as spanners as well as they weren't impressed enough to offer a new contract to MP.
I've never been a fan to be honest and I know it will probably come back bite me e.g. he does a brilliant job at the dulls and we get an even worse coach, but I can't help not liking him.
He's the john major of RL.
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| To be fair, i do remember reading one article with a quote from Potter saying that "this opportunity might not be there in the future", which does indicate that there was an offer of some form within the NRL and he was very interested in exploring that further.
I wish him well, i think he will be good for the Bulls.
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| Quote ="saint at wire"You perhaps need to include our board as spanners as well as they weren't impressed enough to offer a new contract to MP.'"
I don't remember a club press release comparing him to SM, so not sure how that is relevant to my point.
Quote ="saint at wire"I've never been a fan to be honest and I know it will probably come back bite me e.g. he does a brilliant job at the dulls and we get an even worse coach, but I can't help not liking him.
He's the john major of RL.'"
Fair enough - one thing he isn't, though, is the Steve McNamara of coaching.
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| Quote ="saint at wire"He's the john major of RL.'"
Yep, in '97/'98 voters were all wowed by a young MP called Tony Blair who had "personality" instead of boring John Major. 12 years later and he's run down the country and economy, jumped ship and left his hapless junior to carry the can.
If you want a coach like that, give Brian Noble a ring. I guess that makes Steve Mc the Gordon Brown of RL .
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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"Yep, in '97/'98 voters were all wowed by a young MP called Tony Blair who had "personality" instead of boring John Major. 12 years later and he's run down the country and economy, jumped ship and left his hapless junior to carry the can.
If you want a coach like that, give Brian Noble a ring. I guess that makes Steve Mc the Gordon Brown of RL
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You never saw splitting image then? My comparison was of the caricature not their respective achievments.
I don't quite see the Nobby / Blair comparison!
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"I don't remember a club press release comparing him to SM, so not sure how that is relevant to my point.
Fair enough - one thing he isn't, though, is the Steve McNamara of coaching.'"
Look can we please just forget linking everything I say about MP to my earlier comment comparing MP with SM.
I do accept you don't agree with me regarding my comparison but I am allowed to say other stuff about MP not directly relating to the comparison (which you prabably also don't agree with).
Saying good riddance and agreeing with the booards decision is not treason!
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| Quote ="saint billy"And Anderson has a much better squad to keep us in the race for top spot. Jesus, at the start of the season many of our own fans were saying [uwe would struggle to make the play-offs,[/u now there distraught because were only 3rd.'"
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| I think potter has done ok, he's not had the squad previous saints coaches have had and the injury situation this year has been worst it's been for years yet we are 3rd in league and in semi of CC.
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| Quote ="hamiltonsaint"utter pish.'"
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| I hope you're all gonna be happy with a coach who has a less than 50% winning ratio. Then, I suppose, as long as he cracks a joke after another defeat, you'll all be happy though.
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| Quote ="Carlos Alberto"I hope you're all gonna be happy with a coach who has a less than 50% winning ratio. Then, I suppose, as long as he cracks a joke after another defeat, you'll all be happy though.'"
That's assuming that is who we are getting. We don't know yet who we are getting. But whoever it is, he will know very quickly whether the fans like him or not! Saints fans are not shy in expressing their opinions.
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| we should let the useless idiot take up his new position now.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Some people might be VERY disappointed when we replace Potter - I don't think there's too many coaches would have us running 3rd (probably by a measly 2 points after this weekend) and in the semis of the cup given the circumstances he's been faced with this season.'"
That's my concern. None of the names being mentioned have me excited about our chances. Whoever we go for will have their work cut out because of our home game situation next year. Having said that it's not like we've been invincible at home over the past four or five years. Potter has kept us very competitive in a competition that has become more competitive at the top thanks to Wigoon and Wire's improvement. Let's face it, under Anderson who else was there challenging us besides Leeds? Nobody.
Anderson was a very good coach but too many of us have been quick to create a case against Potter and whilst that may be the right decision in the end (it also may not be) my concern is about ending up in a turnstile coaching situation which could see us end up in a downward spiral which instability often brings.
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| Quote ="Saint from Prestwich"we should let the useless idiot take up his new position now.'"
I'd give Simmons a chance before we write him off...
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| Simmons is another bad choice, doesn't make Potter's appointment any better a call.
Is it a sign the leadership at the top isn't what we thought it was? Competence and even brilliance in a business sense doesn't necessarily translate to an ability to make sound recruitment decisions.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Simmons is another bad choice, doesn't make Potter's appointment any better a call.
Is it a sign the leadership at the top isn't what we thought it was? Competence and even brilliance in a business sense doesn't necessarily translate to an ability to make sound recruitment decisions.'"
Hes a bad choice already? He's not even been given the job and people are on his back!
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| lol Potter really does split opinion on here doesnt he Personally I'm not sad to see him go, I dont think he's ever really fitted in for whatever reason but I do see why other people may disagree
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Simmons is another bad choice, doesn't make Potter's appointment any better a call.
Is it a sign the leadership at the top isn't what we thought it was? Competence and even brilliance in a business sense doesn't necessarily translate to an ability to make sound recruitment decisions.'"
I thought that at first and if you base it on his record as a head coach your correct but that was a long time ago and he has had alot of 'coaching' by Tim Sheens since ...
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| What is Simmons like personality wise? I'd like a bit more of rock n' roll if possible
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