Losing Hock is a loss no doubt, but we actually picked up some form after the Hock scandal and the Celtic loss last season, he can be a liability as much as a benefit as you probably know

Whatever the reason for the pickup in form, we didnt look as though we missed him a great deal, until maybe the Saints semi where a bit more quality in our 13 could have turned that game IMO

Looking at the squads on paper I think Catalans could easily make the top four aswell as the usual suspects of Leeds Saints Wigan and Warrington, Bradford have no chance theyll be fighting for a place in the 8

Take the bet then!

Me and FearTheVee want to bet you £10 we finish higher than 5th

It's not just the Warrington fans that are hyping up their chances, the players are at it too. Today, Myler has come out, after Atkins a few days ago actually said that they would win the treble. Let them do so while all the other clubs quietly go about their business preparing for the season, I haven't yet seen another club in SL yet to predict and set targets for this year other than the Wire. We shall see.

I'd like to bet £500 but £10 will do for now.

Say no to drugs, kids

Pretty confident then eh!

I prefer the smug satisfaction of being proved right to cold hard cash anyway

We can't take a Grand off the old man

I'll have £10 bet with you that Wigan finish higher than Saints.
If Saints finish the higher then my £10 will be donated to the Steve Prescott fund.
If Wigan finish the higher then please donate your £10 to the Mike Gregory fund.

I'm not bothered if the bet is with yourself or Mr. Messy, but just one bet for very good causes.

Take the bet then!

I'll take it on Rogues as its all in a good cause!

£10 its on

I'll take some of that!

Sorry SS.
Mr. Messy beat you to it.

i think the top 4 will be Leeds .... followed by Saints, Wigan, Wire in any order - and a lot of it will depend on injuries at certain times of the year.

although we have almost the same team that seemed unbeatable a few years ago, we seem to have lost the swagger and the confidence (arrogance even) that we had under Millward and Anderson. We knew that we could win on any day - I dont see that from the current team and coaching setup.

Over the course of the year we will win some big games, lose some big games, beat some "easy-beats" and have some shocking defeats.....pretty much the same as any other year. Lets just hope the big-games that we win are actually the important ones this year.

He hasn't got the balls.

Its in the sig. now its official

I like Rogue's postings but you've deffo got him on this one imo

I don't gamble.

You should probably keep it that way

I will more than happily come back in September and say is was wrong if I was. Bookmark it, I have.

Cool - I'll wait for you to come back in September as I tend to leave bookmarking internet message boards to people who say "owned" and use Twitter.



I can see the reasons for your pessimism and understand why it is shared by several on here, but I can't help but think our downfall is being exaggerated for the umpteenth year on the trot.

I happen to think this year will be a very exciting one for Saints fans - we'll be right up there.

Great thread chaps.

Translation: I haven't got the balls!

I'll take that bet

It did say ONE bet and that is already made, but feel free to donate to either to Mike Gregorys or Stve Precotts charities.