I'd say there was some unintentional provocation.

It was off the ball and Pelissier seemed to accidentally barge into him, knocking him onto his backside. When big Jim got up, there was a bit of push and shove then a couple of punches thrown. Ref sin binned them both which should be the end of the matter.

Roby might have a case to answer but even that is doubtful.

Walmsley put a late-ish challenge on somebody after they passed, Pelissier ran into him and shoved him over, there was nothing accidental about any of it.

Hence the use of Speech Marks as I was quoting what my in-laws call him, I would never class him as super, nor will i ever class him as super!

I might consider that if Ben Westwood ever wins a Grand Final.

Roby picks up a fine, Walmsley 1 match ban.

Bloody glad we've still got Roby for Sunday but disappointed we won't have Walmsley. Our other so-called forwards will have to step up (but I won't hold my breath).

I'm sure big Mose will put a extra drive in (providing it's not in our 20m)

Is it time for Savelio to get another run out? I'd say so.

Yep and few other of the young lads. They can't be any worse than certain few players.

Where is greenwood? Have I missed something with him while away

I'd imagine he was being rested. It's probably a sensible idea, he's played a lot of games in a row now so a couple weeks off will have done him good.

I haven't seen anything about him being injured.

Would he not have been dropped for Manu coming back?

Manu should now be dropped so we can have Greenwood back. Greenwood offered more than Manu. But Manu won't be dropped because under performing players are never dropped at Saints.

I don't think so, he had previously been selected before Flanagan so I think he's above him in the pecking order.

Very very harsh on Manu. He's been out for 8 weeks injured and came back in 30 degree heat. I think we can cut him some slack apart from that horrid missed tackle near the end.

Put it this way, we've give Mose 16 weeks so far to get fit and he's being excused by most on here so I think it's only fair Manu gets time also.

This pudding seems exempt from critisim on here yet the likes of LMS, Turner, Flash and wello have been ripped to shreds.

Good old Mose, as long as he keeps smiling we will all love him.

How can walmsley get a ban and peacock not?

The Leigh guy who started it with peacock didn't even get charged!

Red hall logic.

Or when he is poor we call him poor and when he is good we call him good.

LMS got good reviews last year when he was playing for a contract.
Mose got 1 or 2 good reviews this year.
Lance has had good reviews this year after being slated for the last 2.

Not everyone has fixed views on players.

Before i start I'm not suggesting there is any favouritism in anyway towards Saints, but how can Roby be found guilty of a grade B offence and only get fined?

Also Walmsley being suspend smacks of inconsistency as Peacock was literally only 2 weeks ago. I really hoped that we stopped suspending and Red carding players for a punch up but it appears not.

So what's the difference anout giving Manu time to recover and giving Mose time?

The pudding seems untouchable on here. If he was English or a Aussie he would be getting slated. The fact he's Samoan (or a failed kiwi) with Afro and plays with a smile on his face (even we getting hammerd) then it seems ok.

I'm sure someone is boring enough to check this out for me. What's are win percentage with Mose , compared without Mose this season.

We seemed to be winning until the pudding came back from injury.

I can't really comment on the Roby incident because I've only seen it the once and sure as hell don't want to watch it back.

No one has said Manu should not be given time.
Saints fan has suggested he be dropped for Greenwood, but that's it.

Manu had some of the better stats going forwards from the last game with Walmsley. Having not seen the game, I would not suggest dropping anyone.

However given our pack is seen as weak, I would suggest Wellens to FB and an extra forward on the bench would help.

I Cant really remember the incident, but i could understand being found guilty of a grade a offence and just paying a fine but i thought grade B is a minimum of 1 game or have i made that up?

My point stays the same. Why should anyone suggest Manu get dropped with that pudding still playing the way he is?

I can't wait to use the old "told you so" when you all discover he's up there with the worst signings we've made in the super league era.

I don't get this hated of Manu from a few people

He is our best second rower.

Even against Catalan despite it being his first game back after 8 weeks out he made more metres than any of the other forwards bar Walmsley. His tackle stats were also comparable with the other forwards bar Thompson and Roby who were in a different league.

Manu for me is a very dangerous running back rower but he is the type of player who performs at his best when the pack is going forward.

Saints soft pack hinders him as he then has to do hard yards and that isn't his game.

The RFL website will probably tell you. I haven't read it, but it could be that he's only ever been cited once before (and that was really Scott Moore's fault) about 5 years ago and that's been it. So his previous record may well have played a part, and Robes is squeeky clean on the field.