Not at all embarassed Dave.
Are you embarassed with your middle finger up avatar?



Perhaps you are a supporter of moranic mindless wordless chanting?

So you aren't embarassed to compare fellow Rugby League supporters to members of the EDL?

I certainly wouldn't call a group of people that im 99% sure you haven't actually met (you definitely haven't met me) t***ers because they sing a song that has no words.

You are an idiot

What the brigantes do is their choice and if they enjoy it leave them to it just the same if your fans end up with a group

It is not something i would do personally but i dont post in their threads and start calling them they are all rugby fans and they are not doing any harm so lay off

Can a song be called a song when it has no words? Isn't it just a tune?

A Dirge. Terrible racket, personally I go to a game to watch it not bang drums or just make a noise that sounds like a funeral march

Come on - the EDL thing is clearly a joke and no offense is intended. Apologies to anyone who hasn't taken it that way.

True I have only met 1% or less of them, but I've seen a lot of them at close quarters and I don't like what I've seen and heard. My view is "what a bunch of t*ssers" - its just my view.
That a bit more reasonable for you?

EDL? There's a Che Guevara flag in there! Best of luck to Ski and the others with their efforts.

Why?

Also, why are there 'green brigade' skulls displayed? Its Rugby League.

I Applaud the Brigantes' efforts. A lot of effort must go in behind the scenes to get displays like that, even just grouping 'the singers' together is a task, which is why we need some organisation amongst the St Helens singers!

There is no doubt Wigan's atmosphere has massively improved over the past couple of seasons. They've grouped together 'the song starters', coinciding with the clubs success over the last year or so and have moved on from the single droans of 'waaggguuun, waaggguuun... (with a gay finger point)'

I think you've turned the wrong way with an Ultra-style though, but thats just my view.

Have a read of my sig, anytime you like. Might remind you of something.......

Not to derail the topic but you wasn't offered the bet and you know it

It was offered to any other Saints fan but no one wanted too

HAHA go on, back out of it now !

Good luck to Ski and a few others on here with next season and starting something,

Dont think he was being sarcastic pal, he was just genuinly interested if you have had some new flags made.

Fair enough. Well I'd be glad to try and change that opinion if I ever get the chance

Find the thread i offered it to someone else he said i will take that bet then put that in his sig, so i said you aint got a deal any other saints fan who wants the bet can have it and he knows it aswell

Plus in the same thread he said fine i will just keep it in my sig, i have made bets on here before for cash to charities and even if i won i still donated i dont back out of any bets i take

That is not a 'Green Brigade skull' it is just an image of a skull which has a cherry and white scarf on... it is used by Ultras all over the world.

A lot of effort does go on behind the scenes which is why some of us can be quite touchy in defending what we do at games.

Our support has improved a lot and it is being noticed, just look at my sig. Even some Warrington fans admitting we have the best support around



To be honest I don't think this has anything to do with the success of the club, the flag movement started late 2009. All of the lads I know who are involved are die hard fans and have been coming most of their life.

Thats your opinion about the ultra style.... but we are what we are... we put on displays and lead the singing. I don't mind what other fans think we are really. Look at the pictures of our home debut and you will see hundreds of people turning around before the game watching our display and having a look, our fans loved it and the players have made numerous comments, thats all that matters. Our fans love the new songs we have introduced, yes ok one of them is just noise but everyone joins in, more than can be said for most RL clubs with the same old ...

'team name till I die'

'we love you team name, we do'

'come on you team name'

There are very few sets of fans offering anything different to these...

We have earned a reputation amongst our fans to bring in new songs. When Dale Cavese first started, I think some of our fans were like 'what the f*ck is that'... but we have since earned some respect for the way we support the team and people have realised we don't claim to be any better than our other fans... this means our fans now follow what we do and any new song is a hit straight away.

I'm sure you will hear our latest and best new song called 'Cherry and white' on saturday, it is a cracker



Personally I hope the Ultras scene takes off at saints, I think it would make us improve and it would improve the atmosphere at the games between us. Imagine displays happening at both ends of the ground on Good Friday with constant vocal support from both sides... it would be Englands version of the Milan/Rome derby

you don't see anything like that anywhere in England. The only thing that gets close is the Glasgow derby and I think part of why that is so big is because of the colour and fanatical support on show. This kind of movement on both sides could increase the size of the derby itself and it would look good for the sport on tv!

I know a few of our guys have said it in the past but if you ever need some advice of help on how to get things going then give one of us a shout!

Take away the violence and that is exactly what we're looking for

Certainly looks like a Green Brigade skull



Another case of Wigan copying Celtic?

They originally got the skull style image from other ultras groups around the world. We are not the first or last to use it.

Ah ok.

I personally would have gone for an original unique symbol, rather than the "they use it so why shouldn't we" stance.

But each to their own.

That is just ONE flag.

Our main symbol is the one on my avatar. That is our 'logo' so to speak. Alot of our flags also have links to the Northerns soul symbols.

Like I said. Each to their own (or others).

Why do people always use the image of Che Guevara as some sort of hero? A little research would show people that he was in fact a mass murderer.

Its a well thought out and reasoned point of view you put forward so honestly well done.

However, it doesn't wash it for me though on a few points:

You make reference to singing - if only it was thus. The dirge you do (also shown on you tube) is anything but singing for the simple reason there are no words, just a mindless chant attracting (IMO) the lowest common denominator.

Secondly your alleged chant for Dale Cavese also is nothing like the original chant you somehow adopted (researched with help from you tube again and wiki).

Thirdly every warrington fan I know (and I live here for my sins) hates the dirge/chant and the "look at us" message it gives out.

Lastly - and I'm not alone in this; if we ever do anything similar at Saints in as far as the chanting without words is concerned I will be gutted.
Organised singing yes; chanting in a moranic fashon no.

Obviously its part of the wigan club fan scene now so its established so good luck with it; but not for us please.

Not my hero, cranky crazy communist. I do though love the irony of wearing a capitalist mass produced t-shirt with his face on it



Bet it has him turning in his grave.