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| Quote ="Sibbs Rhinos"It really shows how important the hooker role is. When Cunningham went off saints started to fall apart. This is very similar to leeds with danny buderus. When he is on the whole game changes as he keeps the forwards rolling and keeps the defense organised. Cunningham Is exactly the same'"
Cunningham is the heart and soul of our club and will be impossible to replace! Totally agree with your post.
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| And for the record he would not have equalled or broken any records had Saints made it to Wembley this year.
Keiron has 7 winners medals from 1996, 1997, 2001, 2004, 2006, 2007 and 2008 - plus a losers one from 2002.
Shaun Edwards won 9 winners medals (1985, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94 and 95) from 11 Wembley final appearances - losing with Wigan in 1984 and London in 1999.
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| Quote ="miscreant"And for the record he would not have equalled or broken any records had Saints made it to Wembley this year.
Keiron has 7 winners medals from 1996, 1997, 2001, 2004, 2006, 2007 and 2008 - plus a losers one from 2002.
Shaun Edwards won 9 winners medals (1985, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94 and 95) from 11 Wembley final appearances - losing with Wigan in 1984 and London in 1999.'"
I think they're getting confused. Someone mentioned he equalled a record for consecutive semi final appearances.
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| Roby certainly has some work to do to step up to Cunningham's level of play from the kick off. Doing damage from dummy half midway through a game is a very, very different role to setting up plays from the off.
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| Cunningham was like a man posessed in his second spell and summed up his career as a leader and a winner in that spell.
I thought he was let down by one or 2 senior players around him in that spell. I said last week after the game against us that i thought Pryce didn't have the best of games and i thought he was quiet again yesterday. Too much pressure to create something seemed to be on Eastmonds shoulders whilst the more senior halfback in Pryce just looked to drift through the game.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Cunningham was like a man posessed in his second spell and summed up his career as a leader and a winner in that spell.
I thought he was let down by one or 2 senior players around him in that spell. I said last week after the game against us that i thought Pryce didn't have the best of games and i thought he was quiet again yesterday. Too much pressure to create something seemed to be on Eastmonds shoulders whilst the more senior halfback in Pryce just looked to drift through the game.'"
Agree totally with that.
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| KC was ferocious in defence; really gave his all. On a slightly negative note I thought his execution let him down a bit when it came to distribution though. Kyle seemed to be having to jump for a lot of his passes at 1st receiver, and it did slow down our attack at a few key moments. Immense leadership though.
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| Roby's a top player, and will continue to be so years to come.
I'm not sure he was fit yesterday. I can only remember him running from dummy half on a couple of occasions.
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| Any news on Keiron's injury situation? Jonathon Davies mentioned on the Beeb that it looked to him like he'd torn his hamstring at the end.
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| Quote ="Billinge Wires"Thought he was outstanding for Saints today, Roby just did not have the same effect when he came on in my opinion.
Eastmond was just a little too greedy for me and wanted to take the line on all the time instead of giving some good service to your centres.'"
KC was a true gem, he put some of the best hits in on the shudds players, some real wowzers. Got us going when came back on in 2nd half. Hope he isnt out for to long with the hamstrng
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| I thought Roby still looked like he was carrying a bit of an injury yesterday, which obviously hampered his performance. Whoever said that he has been dire since getting MOS needs their head testing. We have missed him as much as we have missed Long while he has been out.
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| I wonder how much training KC gets through each week now these days, as he has been carrying more weight than ever he has?
I thought Roby was good yesterday, in fact more mobile than KC, but the supporters and it seems now the players have made him such a talisman they are lost when he is not on the field at times, he is not going to carry on forever.
What happens in 2010? if KC is given an other season would you blame Moore saying it is no use me coming back to St Helens I want first time rugby.
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| Quote ="jaybs"I wonder how much training KC gets through each week now these days, as he has been carrying more weight than ever he has?
I thought Roby was good yesterday, in fact more mobile than KC, but the supporters and it seems now the players have made him such a talisman they are lost when he is not on the field at times, he is not going to carry on forever.
What happens in 2010? if KC is given an other season would you blame Moore saying it is no use me coming back to St Helens I want first time rugby.'"
Moore 1) has no choice. He is contracted to it and B) will be accommodated.
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| It says in league weekly that kc is set to sign for 2010.
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| Has anyone stopped to think what Moore thinks about being farmed out to Huddersfield for a year? Who's to say he isn't resentful? He might have no wish to extend his contract at Saints.
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| Quote ="Mugwump"Has anyone stopped to think what Moore thinks about being farmed out to Huddersfield for a year? Who's to say he isn't resentful? He might have no wish to extend his contract at Saints.'"
potter said last week that he's looking forward to getting Moore back next year. I'm pretty sure he will have spoke to Moore about if he wants to return to saints.
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| Quote ="Mugwump"Has anyone stopped to think what Moore thinks about being farmed out to Huddersfield for a year? Who's to say he isn't resentful? He might have no wish to extend his contract at Saints.'"
Scott Moore said last week that he speaks to Keiron twice a week on the phone. I hardly think he's putting a wall up across the M62.
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| Quote ="Mugwump"Has anyone stopped to think what Moore thinks about being farmed out to Huddersfield for a year? Who's to say he isn't resentful? He might have no wish to extend his contract at Saints.'"
I would hope he was a little mad to start with, but realised he is coming through into a team that was riding high and had the best two number 9's in the WORLD... and it was upto him to make a name for himself and show he has the talent to be a SL hooker, he has done so and I am sure he will be very happy to be back at saints and thank both cass and shudds for the times he had with them.
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| Quote ="Supreme Sydney2002"I would hope he was a little mad to start with, but realised he is coming through into a team that was riding high and had the best two number 9's in the WORLD... and it was upto him to make a name for himself and show he has the talent to be a SL hooker, he has done so and I am sure he will be very happy to be back at saints and thank both cass and shudds for the times he had with them.'"
Strange. I thought he was very average on Sunday compared to most of the rest of the shudders team?
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| Quote ="saint at wire"Strange. I thought he was very average on Sunday compared to most of the rest of the shudders team?
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I thought the same to be honest.A touch of split loyalties maybe?
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| Quote ="daves"I thought the same to be honest.A touch of split loyalties maybe?'"
Or nerves!
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| Quote ="Mugwump"Has anyone stopped to think what Moore thinks about being farmed out to Huddersfield for a year? Who's to say he isn't resentful? He might have no wish to extend his contract at Saints.'"
Moore would have to have an ego the size of the earth to think he's been badly treated by being sent out on loan whilst Cunningham and Roby get a game ahead of him.
Saints have done him a favour and he should be thankful for that.
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| Quote ="saint at wire"Strange. I thought he was very average on Sunday compared to most of the rest of the shudders team?
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He was average indeed on Sunday. Didnt realy stand out and roby and kc were both better than him, and they are both injured.
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| Quote ="Supreme Sydney2002"He was average indeed on Sunday. Didnt realy stand out and roby and kc were both better than him, and they are both injured.'"
If you think he was average, which I disagree with, looking at the general level of the Giants players, then sell him! I'm sure many would like him. You have got to give full credit to Huddersfield the number of others club's cast offs that have come good, not international superstars but Good Solid Players!
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| Quote ="jaybs"If you think he was average, which I disagree with, looking at the general level of the Giants players, then sell him! I'm sure many would like him. You have got to give full credit to Huddersfield the number of others club's cast offs that have come good, not international superstars but Good Solid Players!'"
He was average though. Roby, KC and Moore were all out there on Sunday and only Roby and Moore did anythign of stand out. Moore did his job I suppose, he played his part in a winning team. I jsut saying he wasnt WOW on Sunday, compared to what we have seen and heard of him this year, he was just joe average, sor tof like that waster Diskin at Leeds, but Diskin does it week in week out whereas Moore has become a dude.
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