and thats why you should ignore this info!

Although some people are questioning KC credentials for the conditioning post, I am not too sure that Appollo had any experience before being given the opportunity at Saints. I am sure that his status as a saints legend commands respect from the players & the rest can be learned from a book.

Any more injuries from the Fev game?

Are we likely to see anyone return this weekend?

Apparently not. At least, not serious. Gardner hurt his arm but Simmons said it wasn't serious. He was replaced by Makinson but I would imagine that was as a precaution. LMS on Twitter has moaned about his ankle and knee but I think he's being a wuss. However, no report of him being properly injured.

Makinson looked good on the wing. He had such pace. It would be great to see him there next season as he seems to be ok defensively too. I'm not remotely anti-Gardner but to see pace on the wing again after so long not having it was just a joy to watch.

Lomax, Gaskell, Pryce, TP and Eastmond are all due back soon. Pryce is having a scan this week which could give him the all clear to play again.

On top of that Moore is back in full training, Flannery and Perry are not serious knocks (maybe Leeds?), Wheeler was due to be out similar to Lomax and Gaskell

That is going to leave Cloughie, hopefully he gets the all clear next time with the specialist, he should be able to do most training so will be fairly swift once cleared.

I just expect some to break down on their comeback and its pretty obvious with our luck with injuries we will lose more.

If/when all are back it should be good to see who misses out.

You mention Wheeler Chris.
Any news how he his recovery from his shoulder injury isprogressing? (I still can't believe how wigan got away with that late "tackle"icon_wink.gif

Not heard any updates on Wheeler. He hasn't tweeted about his progress either.

Hoffman got away with it because he didn't hit the head or standing leg. They're the two areas of the body this season that are out of bounds. I looked that up at the time on the RFL website.

So you was wrong?

About what?

The Hoffman tackle.

What about the Hoffman tackle?

It was legal.

I didn't say it was legal did I? I don't think I did. And I wasn't saying it was legal in this thread either. It was late in my view, which is illegal. He got away with it because it didn't hit the designated spots for this season but also the ref didn't think it was late. Another ref - Ganson, for instance - would have considered it late.

Jeez, Pete. Get a life! I had to dig hard into my memory banks for that one. I've moved on. I've done stuff and slept much since that discussion. I suggest you let it go.

Oh, and for the record, I also think Hoffman deliberately wanted to take Wheeler out. Unlike Raynor, who I think made a careless but not hostile attempt to knock the ball out of Tomkins' hands.

Got to agree with you with regards to hoffman and raynor. However, the wrong one gets punished - rough justice, but thats down to the variable refereeing standards we have.

The ref, two touch judges, match official at the game, RFL all thought it was legal.

It was a legal challenge.

Let's end it here, let's not go down this road again

You bloody started it. And I don't agree with you, or the officials. Citing flipping touch judges who can't spot a forward pass from a foot away is hardly giving credence to anything.

Sadly not, I've not heard anything since he had his operation, the club stated then it would be around 5 weeks, (on the same story Lomax was out for 5 weeks too).

It is just 5 weeks when we play Crusaders, so unless he has had a setback, he'd should be available for Leeds and if not definitely for Bradford.

Without doubt we'll pick up knocks along the way, its part and parcel. What is hard to accept is when is it all at once.

We should be ok with regard to breakdowns provided we don't rush anyone back, the squad has coped admirably with everyone out. I'd want us ease them back in where possible, I know that is not easy with some positions, if Lomax, Gaskell, Wheeler all come back with either start them or we can only bench one

You would imagine we are due a few back for the next 2 games.

You do pick up knocks and that is part and parcel of the game, we've just been a little unfortunate with the run of knocks and that they have all been around 5 weeks give or take. Usually you'd get a gap inbetween or varying length of injury. As luck would have it I think the Challenge cup came at just the right time for Saints and has allowed us to gain some time to get the players back without missing too many games.

I thought we were unlucky to lose the Wigan game, but fortunate to win the cas game. The draw at Hull could have gone either way and we where well beaten by Huddersfield. But with those results we've had the time with the CC which means we are still 2only points off the lead and our players ready to return.

Was told last night TP and Moore have a good chance of playing this Friday with Lomax and Gaskel a slight chance?
Leon could be back for the Bulls away game in 2 weeks?
Fingers crossed then

Well, we might get a better idea when the press conference takes place today (happens at 4.30 apparently). But I'm not pinning my hopes on anyone coming back until I see their names in the starting 17 and then I'll be holding my breath that they come through the match unscathed!

If Moore shows the sort of form he did before his injury, his return will be a massive plus point.
He was showing a marked improvement of not only ability but maturity and game nous.

Indeed. The boo boys are going to have to have nominations for a new scapegoat.