Totally agree.

Walsh's effort for Smith's try was a disgrace. We really are carrying him. It's like having 12 men in defence. Have a look at Walsh's attempt to tackle Tompkins , it lacked effort. He bottled both them tackles. With the ball he's frightened stiff of getting tackled. We need to drop him and have Walsh and Fages in the halves. I'm actually excited by Fages, he actually looks like a Saints player. I would build our team around him.

It's difficult to encapsulate everything wrong with that performance in a single post. Strangely enough, the first 10-15 minutes were quite encouraging. We mixed it and with Fages taking the ball to the line we looked capable of producing opportunities.

But as soon as Wigan started to get some good possession from our penalties and errors our defensive frailties became very clear. Watching our left edge defence I thought I'd taken a wrong turn and ended up at the circus. Between them Walsh, Dawson and Owens created an overlap for Wigan every time the ball went that way. Abysmal.

What was just as disappointing, though, was that as soon as that started happening our forwards seemed to decide they weren't interested anymore.

That's before we even get on to the attack. A classic moment that summed it up was when Wilkin stepped somebody and got into clear space ... then stopped and looked around for a defender to run at.

I'm still amazed at the score - how we played that badly and got away with a respectable scoreline is beyond me. It's a good job we were playing Wigan 2016 and not Wigan 2013.

Wigan played the basics and saints could not deal with it. thats was an absolute disgrace . The players,coach and the club as a whole should issue an apology for that. I was embarrassed to be wearing my red vee and I never said that in my life . Utter rubbish .

Said the same to my missus. Should have been a 40+ defeat that. They broke through our line so many times. Amor takes that pass near the end and it's a 6 point margin. I don't think Wane will be happy with that.

Wigan changed the game plan after 20 mins, with Burns playing at 9 they seemed to fancy playing up the middle, when Roby came on they decided to play more out on the edges realising in the process there were a couple of turnstiles in Dawson and Owen.
I see KC is on another planet with his post match comment, when is he going to realise that playing OK for 20 mins in an 80 mins game is as much use as a chocolate teapot.

I thought we'd get beat today but I didn't account by for how inept Saints would be. That was pretty woeful and it was a good job Hicks put in one of the most one eyed halves of reffing I've seen in that second half or it could have got out of hand. We did what we've done all year, defended for our lives and scrapped enough points in attack.

We also did what we've done all year.

I'm not convinced we played well for the first 20. We played in front of of the Wigan defence and chucked a few moves about ,switching the ball like a school boy team who has just learnt a new move. From the Wigan perspective , it was very simple to defend against . All things are relative, and in relation to how we have been playing , it looked encouraging but in truth is was nothing more than average . I agree with you, Kieron is not ready to coach , the players are clearly unsettled and looking lost. I am a great believer that a good coach can stimulate even the most mediocre squad to perform and play basic rugby . Saints can't even do that . Kieron must go. God help us on Monday .

I have been chastised on here for criticising Walsh, it now looks like a few more have seen the light. He should be packed off home as soon as possible. Whoever is in charge of recruitment at Saints should have is contract terminated. the last few years have seen some of the worst signings of any super league team. I am now beginning to have grave doubts regarding Cunningham. As for the poster who is putting the blame on an injured player, well that is absolutely priceless.

Also I was in no doubt of today's result so I will not comment.

We were shocking today. Fortunately, so were Wigan. They must have made six or seven clean breaks in the second half and didn't score from any of them. They would have lost to most sides in SL with that performance today, they were just lucky they were playing us.

Today was another example of our awful, awful brand of rugby. Try to strangle the opposition to death with repeat sets and grind, grind, grind. We had so much pressure in the first half and the game was won when Wigan scored first, it was over. Had we scored during that spell of intense pressure we might have had a chance. Our defending once again was truly woeful throughout, Wigan scoring a few tries that had no place in professional RL. We can't defend our line and we won't win a big game this season.

In terms of individuals I thought SMD was okay. Makinson was Mr Average as always, Jack Owens is still a fat joker who has no place at the club. Dom Peyroux is still a clown and a joke signing, Matty Dawson is Matty Dawson and yet he's our best back this season by a country mile. What does that say about our squad? In the halves, I thought Theo played okay, he tried at least. But the decision to play him this week, when he couldn't be risked against the likes of Wakefield and Cas was just an absolute joke. If you are going to play him, FFS play him in the easier games first to get him ready. Walsh was the useless waste of a salary he always was, Tasi is still a powderpuff forward, despite having his best game for us. Amor was beaten, Roby average, Burns horrific. But to be fair to Burns we fell apart when Roby came on. LMS tried, which for this side is unsual, he's our most obvious leader, trying to gee them up when the heads were down all the time. Alex W was due a bad game for us and boy did he have one today, utter shocker from him. Jon Wilkin was very poor and is not a Captain in a million years, we've not had a Captain since Jammer left. His attempt to throw the ball at Frodo was perhaps his most telling contribution and being Jon Wilkin he naturally missed. Richards was still useless as he always is and apologies if I've missed anyone, they were obviously so anonymous I've forgotten who they are.

You need to get off that fence and say what you really think mate

Planet KC obviously saw a different match to the 18,000 who were there:


Kieran - we were never back in the game. We were just, to a man, pitifully awful. We are just a potentially mid table team which is being coached badly.

KC must have an eye sight problem, he reminds me of the specsavers advert with the vet and the "dead cat" thats not got a pulse.


We hit the magic =#BF004050 missed tackles mark yesterday, I think that is the worse record we,ve had in the defence department.

We made 26 tackle busts, but 2 wigan players in Manfredi and Gildart made the same amount between them. (Manfredi 19 busts).

I agree with most of that apart but SMD did ok ? He was dire! Them tackle attempts was like a 8yrs old kid who hasn't played rugby before. He's terrified of contact just as Quinlan was last year. If nobody makes a break then SMD might as well not play.

Nobody in the backs can Beat a man and we lack pace. The back 3 yesterday was awful and imo none are good enough. Peyroux started missing tackles now but agsin shocking with the ball. Dawson, well say no more really.

Fages did ok but KC dropped him in it from great height playing him yesterday. Luke Walsh is another that's terrified of contact.

Tasi isn't good enough, he can't break tackles, hes soft as a bag of s*it. Amor did ok and started with lower back injury so I can't see him playing Monday. Wilkin as he's been all year rubbish and another that doesn't like contact. Greenwood will be at leigh soon as he's just brittle, he's not up to the physical side of the game and not good enough. LMS did ok.

Richards isn't good enough and never will. Thomson had his worst game in a Saints shirt. Big Alex doesn't look happy. He's getting tackled easier this year and not hitting the heights of last year but still a very good player.

Keiran has obviously enlisted the services of a quack motivaitional positivity tellyvangelist of the "i can and i will, im a winner"variety.
I wouldnt take anything from those comments,your eyes dont decieve you fans dont boo without good reason we were appalling.
Watch a half of rugby league played by warrington or widnes and compare .......enough said.

I nearly choked when Keiron used "PHENOMENAL" as a description of Saints in the first half? was he watching the same game? his tactics seem wrong, he does not seem right, interviewed on TV just before kick off in a stupid wooly hat, when you watch his face sat in the stand, would he inspire you? and the stupid over sized head phones, what role does Sean Long play I wonder?

Someone says that Wigan were bad, well I feel their young players put 200% more effort in, there seems little style with Saints play as I said after the match the only tactic is kicking high into the corner, so many players seem flat, some of the forwards go to the ground in tackles like a bag of potatoes, something is wrong, some of the wins have not been the best, neither was last season if we are truthful.

We really need a couple of hammerings in the next couple of games starting with a 50-0 loss at Widnes as a blessing in disguise. We are stuck in a coaching rut, KC and his headphones are pushed forward like a set of blinkers, I just wonder how much longer McManus will allow the demise of the club to go on with nothing looking positive on the horizon.

From the way KC talks, he thinks he's some sort of coach guru and thinks he's clever.

I agree with his post match interview tho this week

Wigan are a far better Club than us from top to bottom at the moment. A very measured Chairman and a coach who has found a way to get his players to give 100% ALL the time. Wigan's playing structures are basic but effective.

We have massive issues. Massive.

Our Chairman needs to step back and learn some humility instead of coming out with his bombastic and legalistic ramblings the minute anyone dares to challenge anything. The stadium is nice - thanks Eamonn - but cut the rubbish that's playing in it and sort the place out. Starting with your CEO.

Then that sorting needs to start with getting an experienced coach in rather than the cheap option of the old boys Club. If he can't see what every other Saints fan can see then he no longer has the right to call himself a Chairman.

For me the buck stops with him and I'm tired of his arrogance.

What spoke volumes for me yesterday was the pristine white shirt of Jon Wilkin at the end of the game

He kicks so doesn't have to take tackle. Sure he's trying to get union to come in for him with all this kicking he does

Just watched the game back ov TV. Smith's try. Walsh's obstruction claim. Embarrassing.

Even then, they seemed to take an age to give it! I can understand a bit of hesitation, though, it can't possibly be that easy, can it? Watching it back again just now on Wigan TV, yes, it can!

Like NK, I wasn't confident going into the game either, but reckoned without such a dismal showing from Saints. And, to be fair, our back five were all pretty decent (Manfredi obviously especially so), and our attack is improving week on week.

I don't think I've ever been as annoyed coming out of a league match. I haven't seen us be comprehensively outplayed like that for a long time...especially by a team as forgiving as Wigan were on the day. I have no idea how they were only two scores better than us on the scoreboard!

It was a proper miserable performance all round and I'd be here all day trying to put all my thoughts in one post.

My overriding feeling is that Cunningham is on the brink. He appears to be out of his depth and it's not like he hasn't been given time. His tactics are inept, his signings not fit for purpose and his team selection/squad management has been questionable.

With a lot of players off contract at the end of this year, I don't have confidence in his ability to rebuild this squad.

A tough decision for McManus coming up I feel...

I think he'll back KC mate. That contract extension was massive. IMO that's him giving KC the nod to rebuild a team for next season and beyond. I can imagine that'll have unsettled a few of the lads as well. A few of them will know they're on their way out.

I feel that McManus will be satisfied with a top 4 finish and a decent cup run. And given that teams in the top 4 often lose a 1/3 or more of their games, this will be an achievable aim for Saints even with an inexperienced coach and a style of rugby that's on a par in entertainment value as a Sunday afternoon trip to IKEA with the missus.