Richards is 19. We've no right to expect anything special from someone so young. If anything I'd say he's above the curve.

Oh I have every faith we can turn it around... I just don't know if we will.

Coaches have been sacked with better records than we currently do! Certainly not suggesting we go there but this is as bad as it should get, and no further.

As for "worst injury crisis" - nope, we're not worse than last year - flanagan was 7! We adapted then and we aren't now.

Cuthbertson does the flashy stuff. But when Leeds need someone to steady the ship when things aren't going their way Peacock is ALWAYS the man who steps up and delivers - big time. That's a MASSIVE attribute to have. To lose it would be problematic to say the least.

Cuthbertson has been a breath of fresh air for our pack and taken some of the pressure off of Peacock.Young lads like Ward and Singleton also stepping up into big time players now and like you say, i think Sinfield being out of the way has led to others, like Mcguire who has thrived on the extra responsibility, and Sutcliffe to lay their own stamp on things.

Don't confuse Cuthbertson doing the offloads as him just being a flashy guy, he done more carries and tackles this year than Peacock. First 5 rounds he was averaging 39 tackles a game.....not bad for a flashy player.

Were you thinking this a handful of games ago when when we were unbeaten? No.

Basically what you're saying is you've lost all your confidence because we've not remained unbeaten whilst suffering a massive injury load? Talk about fickle!



We adapted - at the END OF THE SEASON with a full compliment of forwards. We certainly didn't look anything like title contenders at the mid point of the season.

Personally I feel pretty good. At NO POINT have we thrown the towel in this season. Aside from tonight (& the WCC which I don't really count) where we allowed the game to get away from us we've shown up BIG TIME in every game. Against Wigan when we had no half backs we could easily have folded. Against Hull KR we went down whilst dominating possession. Against Hull we made some silly mistakes - but the lads kept trying.

Consider Warrington's recent performances. Consider Wigan's absolute PASTING at the hands of god-awful Salford.

And you don't think we can "turn it around"? Let's wait and see what everyone else gets up to over the next five matches. If you think the likes of Warrington or Wigan are suddenly problem free you are seriously mistaken. And as I've said, Leeds gain nothing whatsoever from a giant advantage at this point of the year. How many times have we seen teams fall apart with a similar record in SLs previous?

Given the choice of losing Cuthbertson or Peacock for the rest of the season - I'm pretty sure I know who you'd pick.

You would be wrong.

More tripe.

You're embarrassing yourself more with every post.

Carry on

Now, in 2015? I think you'd be surprised.

Says the man whose predicted total Wigan dominance (so far unrecorded) for the last ten years based on having "the best youngsters in the competition".





Give it up, old fogey. You're mixing with your betters.

Hmmm .... one of the finest props GB has produced in ages VS a guy who didn't do much in the NRL.

You're pinning a hell of a lot of faith on form being permanent.

And he does big minutes.

Cuthbertson is the stand out player in SL this season.

Fantastic signing for Leeds.

The first barge from Mosoe is entertaining but then you haven't time to boil an egg and he's off.

Re Richards - He is morphing into a bit of pudding . I Noticed the physique combined with mobility
of singleton and yates compared to him. He's not doing himself any favours with the increasing number of
silly mistakes.

I know what I see. Cuthbertson's form has been excellent. But when things were looking dicey, say in the game against Cas when it looked like things could go either way, whilst Cuthbertson was throwing passes anywhere (some going to hand, some going anywhere but) - it was Peacock who steadied the ship allowing Leeds to regroup. It's happened time and time again.

He might not play as many minutes as he used to. But the minutes he plays are absolutely vital.

You only have to look at the above answers.

Leeds could've been portrayed in the previous years as relaying on 3/4 key players to always get them through games but this year is very different. Across the board players are standing up as has been shown with losing three players like Hall, Briscoe and JJB (the latter two had really strong starts to the season).

The old theory that all relied on Peacock/Sinfield/Burrow/McGuire to drag us through has well and truely gone and if you still think that (especially after tonight) then you need to take a closer look. It's 2015 not 2014.....you need to realise that.

Give over. He's not even Leeds' stand-out player.



Richards is nineteen. He won't mature physically for another two or three years. At that point we'll know whether he is a "pudding" or not. In any case - comparisons with Singleton are silly. They do not perform the same function.

I also saw the game we played against Hudds and Peacock was the one throwing stuff around and giving away penalties and Cuthbertson steady the ship on that occasion and has done on a few occasions when he's been reintroduced back onto the field after a breather when it's seemed to go a bit pear shaped in his absence.

It's a few things as Biff alludes to, Aiton has been a revelation out of dummy half and gets Leeds moving, Cuthbertson's offloads have helped create space for our quicker players to exploit, and don't be fooled, he does the hard yards as well as the flashy stuff. Stevie Ward has probably been the best 2nd rower in the comp so far and along with Ablett gives us a serious threat out wide on both edges

I'd agree about Sinfield to be honest, many Leeds fans (I wasn't one of them) thought McGuire would be the half that would make way for Sutcliffe but, McGuire has also been superb, it's a shame he's 32 because he's playing as well as he did in 2010.

So in a nutshell, they've got more pace and grunt in the middle to set the platform for the backs to do their thing.

You are desperately clutching at straws regarding our squad management. JP is retiring at the end of the season. Leeds have already spelled him more than ever this season. We love him, but our succession planning is top notch, and our whole team will not just capitulate next season, no matter how much you want it to.

He's probably in the top 3 this year along with Aiton and Stevie Ward. With Watkins and McGuire adding to a top 5. No Peacock there.

No when we were 6 for 6 I wasn't doubting - because plan A was working and there was no need to change the plan. We're now 1 from 4 and it's not fickle to say that our inability to change from plan A is a source of major concern. Our game plan for the last few games needed to be different from the first couple in the season and it hasn't.

We realistically don't have that major an injury list - were missing 4 realistically, and a couple of back up options - the options we did have didn't play well - that's the much bigger concern here. You can't just blithely hope for no injuries, as every club gets them every year.

While we may not of thrown the towel in like last year, we always came back with a response - I would equate tonight with similar to magic weekend - after the game Wellens made his speech, and there was a general recognition with what was wrong - the same doesn't appear to happen this year,

I don't care if other teams are in poor form. Yes it'll contribute to us staying up there in the recent future, I'd rather worry about our own form...

I'm not talking about any other position than prop. And no player in the Leeds side performs Peacock's function to anything like the same degree.

But I'm happy to wait until next season to be proven right.

I know what he's saying. Even though Peacock is significantly past his best he's still a massive presence on the field and he's a superb leader. He's like a Northern Martin Johnson, even now he'd a huge loss for any side - for his mental approach as much as anything.

We are a little more worse off than you think cause it is actually 1 win in the last 5 now but the consoling thing is that we are still second in the league and only need to finish top 2 to get maximum advantage in getting to old trafford.

That's rubbish and you know it. Lomax, Vea, Greenwood, Percy, Wellens are all injured. Even their replacements are injured (Dawson). Roby has been playing crocked for weeks and looked practically dead on his feet last night. Wilkin has only just returned. Luke Walsh has just come back from major surgery. His half-back partner has only been at the club for a handful of games.

Do I really need to paint this picture for you?



Sticky patches are not solely a result of bad coaching, inferior players etc. Indeed, they are a STATISTICAL CERTAINTY. Did you really expect us to go from six out of six to nine or ten out of six missing the players we have. If so you're living in fantasy land.



You SHOULD be happy about us never throwing the towel in. How many Saints's sides can you honestly say the same about - even during our halcyon days under Millward and even Anderson?

Provided the lads are giving everything I'm happy. Let's wait for the injured players to settle down and allow Burns and Walsh to get some games under the belts.

Providing we have no injuries I'm confident it'll be a second title in a row. Trust your uncle, Geoff.