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| Is it just me that thinks we've dropped a big one here? Shenton was much maligned by you lot on here. Despite that he's been selected as first choice centre throughout his spell with us. Sure he started his spell slowly, but was building up his performances nicely last season, culminating in an excellent hour in the Grand Final until his injury. That injury forced a repeat this season with him making a slow start as he rebuilt his confidence in his arm. But now I'd argue he's doing really well, solid and hard working defensively and looking very lively with the ball. We seem nicely balanced now with Shenton's pace and elusiveness on one side and Jones' neanderthal-esque crash ball play on the other side.
Turner on the other hand seems utter rubbish to me. Sure he's probably a bit quicker but he doesn't seem to be able to defend and has absolutely no form at all ahead of his move to Saints. I can't help but see the swap of Shenton for Turner as a downward step. One wonders if his move to Saints came about purely because McManus was impressed by his gallop down our left wing to score the winning try for Hull earlier in the season?
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| I don't see what shenton is suddenly doing that is much better than what he has been all season. Attacks seem to come to an end when shenton gets the ball. Turner isn't brilliant but I think have potential to be better than shenton.
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| Quote ="Ashy"Attacks seem to come to an end when shenton gets the ball..'"
No, that's Wello
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| As I've just posted elsewhere, Shenton has come to life since securing his future elsewhere. For whatever reason I don't think he's ever been comfortable at Saints and I don't think we'd ever have got the best out of him. As for Turner, we'll have to wait and see. At least he'll be cheaper.
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| Shents is a good player who has struggled with injuries BUT we expected him to develop even further for the salary cap space he takes up.
Turner has the tools and if we can develop him will be a good signing without initially taking up as much salary cap space.
Its a punt. We have a lot of punts in the squad now.
Roby is the only genuine quality player now.
When we were winning we had 4 or 5 especially in key positions.
Is something we used to do a lot of pre the Newlove transfer and we have got away with it since Scully got injured and the class players left or retired.
We seem to have freed up a lot of salary cap space in the last few years.
I would have liked us to get someone like Ellis when he was available.
We have raw talent that can come through but we could do with even one or two signings of that quality to help that transition.
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| I'm still very, very happy with this bit of business.
Hull fans are queuing up to tell us how poor Turner is in D, but that stuff can be worked on, the crucial thing is he's a fantastic athlete with a load of raw potential and that's what we want from Saints threequarters. Shenton, as much as I like him and want him to succeed, is never going to have that bit of X-Factor needed. He can't bust a tackle or hurt someone in defence. The only thing he CAN do is potentially outrun the defence if someone puts him through a gap - which Turner can do as evidenced by outstripping our entire team (inc. Shenton) at Langtree Park earlier this season.
It's no contest tbh. Especially if, as people keep saying, Turner is on substantially less money.
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| As a Hull fans Turner is a bit of an enigma, can be very good and also pretty poor, the latter more often than not.
He has ability in an attacking sense although its very hit and miss but his defence is shocking and his continual attempts and jumping out the line and poor defence cost us nearly everytime.
I think the fact he is moving back closer to home may help him but unless Brown has a master plan to get the best out of Turner and turn him into a consistant performer & improve his defence I think he will be no better than he is now.
As the OP mentions I do wonder if your clubs decision to sign him was somehow based on his performance against you at the start of the season in which he put in a good performance. Will be interesting indeed to see how he goes for you next season.
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| He's a downgrade on Shenton at this moment in time, fact. It's a gamble that may pay off or may fail spectacularly.
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| Quote ="Northampton_Saint"He's a downgrade on Shenton at this moment in time, fact. It's a gamble that may pay off or may fail spectacularly.'"
He is. Shenton chipped in with some impressive plays of late.
However, given that we've resigned Meli, then we potentially have Meli at Centre and (if we can patch him up) Ade Gardner on the wing, which is a fairly potent option should Turner be less than convincing.
[iWe also have the great white hope of Wheeler still knocking about somewhere.[/i
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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"He is. Shenton chipped in with some impressive plays of late.
However, given that we've resigned Meli, then we potentially have Meli at Centre and (if we can patch him up) Ade Gardner on the wing, which is a fairly potent option should Turner be less than convincing.
[iWe also have the great white hope of Wheeler still knocking about somewhere.[/i'"
Has Meli been confirmed yet? I'm counting no chickens until he has...
And I've been one of Wheeler's biggest advocates for years but have frankly given up on him now. There's clearly something just not right with the lad's makeup somewhere. He's been [irelatively[/i injury-free this year for once and should have been a stand out in such a weak league but has just completely disappeared it seems. Very disappointing.
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| Quote ="Northampton_Saint"Has Meli been confirmed yet? I'm counting no chickens until he has...
'" Actually no. He's had the offer but not signed up as yet.
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| Shenton has impressed me in the last month or so and I like him, he's a top lad off the field and can still make it as the top British centre in super league.
I must admit, I was worried about his poor form at the start of the season and in all honesty thought that injury in the grand final had finished him as a top player but he does seem to be over it now.
I never wanted a 100% fit shenton to go but as I said at the time, I'd let him go if his elbow wasnt ever going to recover.
I think it will come back to bite us on the bum but as another poster wrote, he's never really fully fitted in and we might not have seen the best of him.
I hope he gets back to his best at cas as I like him as a player and a bloke.
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| Shenton's far superior to Turner. If Tony Martin wasn't injured then Turner wouldn't be in the Hull side (and, personally, I'd rather we played Crooks than Turner but Crooks is also injured).
Turner's had 3 or 4 good games earlier on in the season but has been appalling for the rest of it. Whilst he can run the ball alright and has decent upper body strength, his defence is woeful. We concede atleast 1 try in almost every game because of a defensive error by him, whether it's him running out of the line but not making the hit, or a poor read, or leaving his winger exposed.
I think that Saints have made an error in signing him if he's intended to be first choice.
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| Where's this Turner's good in attack myth come from? He's rubbish at both, and his hop skip and jump 3 foot in the air when running from dummy half fools nobody. He's fast, that's it.
Poor player and Shenton is more than twice the player he will ever be.
Can't help thinking NB thinks he's got a Cudjoe/Lawrence/McGillivary type. He's going to be disappointed.
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| Quote ="Northampton_Saint"He's a downgrade on Shenton at this moment in time, fact. '"
That's where I stand too. Shenton has been hung out to dry by Saints fans too quick to point the finger in the same way as what happened with Lance up until a couple of weeks ago. A lesson for all who did.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Where's this Turner's good in attack myth come from? He's rubbish at both, and his hop skip and jump 3 foot in the air when running from dummy half fools nobody. He's fast, that's it.
Poor player and Shenton is more than twice the player he will ever be.
Can't help thinking NB thinks he's got a Cudjoe/Lawrence/McGillivary type. He's going to be disappointed.'"
The 'Turner's good in attack' has come from him playing well in attack.
He's scored a few good tries. He's continued driving forwards through two tacklers to get the ball down. He's willing to pass to his winger and put him away. He's confident near the line and backs himself.
The hop skip thing is getting a bit old now and it hasn't been very effective for him, I agree.
As I and many others have said, he's massively let down by his defence and reading of the game.
Shenton is a superior player.
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| People stating that Saints have gambled are missing the obvious, Shenton wasn't happy at Saints and wanted to go back to Yorkshire. This was showing in his performances, and also in his improvement since it was confirmed he'd be going home.
Saying that, I don't think Turner is that far behind him. He's certainly an athlete and that's what we need inour backline.
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| I stick by what I said when we signed him:
"Raw, but the potential is certainly there. Could easily go either way but I don't see it as much of a downgrade on the 2011/2012 Shenton TBH and if we've saved cap as a result, it's the right move."
Plus I had a look at his stats at the time and, whilst I agree Shenton has improved recently, Turner had more tries and about double the number of busts and clean breaks as Shenny.
I'm still fairly pleased - Shenton's improvement recently has taken him from utterly anonymous to reasonable, let's not get carried away and think he's some sort of superstar.
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| I am convinced to this day had Shenton stayed on the field in last years GF we would have won that there is no question in my mind. Shenton has been steady this year in defence but has offered very little in attack. Having said that could the injury in the Grand Final played on his mind too much???
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| Saying Shenton is playing better now, therefore we should have kept him is a bit of a red herring for mine. He's playing better since he got his move back home. Some players just don't fit no matter how good they are at their home town. In his head he is obviously happier now, hence better on field performances.
Take Danny Orr. Not too many injuries whilst playing at Wigan or London but never really played at the potential he showed at Cas.
I know this personally, having seen someone working where they did not want to be, as soon as they secured new employment their tail was up for the rest of their time at work as they knew they were going to be leaving and hence performances improve.
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| I had reservations when we signed him and I still do now.
Shenton is solid and dependable but doesn't offer much when we have the ball. He has been a disappointment for a 'marquee' player on a good wage. What he gives us is good work rate and doesn't miss that many tackles, especially the important ones. The worry I have is that Turner is going to end up to be much worse, especially defensively and his work rate. His work rate will have to be high and his pace and side step will need to be utilised otherwise we might all be disappointed.
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| I thought we signed Turner as a "Work in Progress" player, some fans on here are pre judging him as though he is the finished article.
Don,t forget quite a few years we took a gamble on signing a "Work in Progress" bloke to develop as a classy half back.......that bloke was Sean Long.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"I thought we signed Turner as a "Work in Progress" player, some fans on here are pre judging him as though he is the finished article.
Don,t forget quite a few years we took a gamble on signing a "Work in Progress" bloke to develop as a classy half back.......that bloke was Sean Long.'"
No problem signing a "Work in progress" if he has good experience around him. His Centre partner is likely to be another kid in Josh Jones and his winger will probably be Tommy Makinson. Realistically we'll need more than a "work in progress".
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| Quote ="(Saint)"I'm still very, very happy with this bit of business.
Hull fans are queuing up to tell us how poor Turner is in D, but =#0000FFthat stuff can be worked on, the crucial thing is he's a fantastic athlete with a load of raw potential and that's what we want from Saints threequarters. Shenton, as much as I like him and want him to succeed, is never going to have that bit of X-Factor needed. He can't bust a tackle or hurt someone in defence. The only thing he CAN do is potentially outrun the defence if someone puts him through a gap - which Turner can do as evidenced by outstripping our entire team (inc. Shenton) at Langtree Park earlier this season.
It's no contest tbh. Especially if, as people keep saying, Turner is on substantially less money.'"
Quite possibly, but after 3 years with us he is still making the same mistakes, so it looks like he either isn't working on them for one reason or another, or just doesn't have the improvement in him.
In all seriousness, you've signed one belter from us and one duffer.
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| What's happened to Wheeler? Has his right leg fallen off?
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