Could have done without him being hit late as that cost us another bench spot, he doesn't have much luck with injuries. Dislocated shoulder sounds like a good while out.

Hoffman should have been binned for that, no doubt. Other than that I thought that Wigan were much cleaner than in the past, fair play to them.

Out for a long time with ACL injury, according to Saints Twitter.

I think that's months rather than weeks, isn't it? He had such a great opportunity to show the RL world what he is made of and one late tackle ruins it.

Wheeler or Wellens? Wheeler was treated for a shoulder injury on the floor and walked off okay. If it's him we've got the worst physio in the world?

Potentially season ending I'd suspect, by the tone of the sentence.

Wheeler? Surely he hasn't done his ACL and dislocated his shoulder, unless he is the most unlucky man in the world. Unless it is Wellens which would be more bad news.

AC injuries are a right pain in the chuff,had a couple myself back in the day,its going to be at least 3 weeks for Wheels probably mopre like 6 - 8 though realistically.The hit that took him out in my view was intentional,late and with the shoulder

Wheeler has the AC injury, Wellens has an ankle injury.

Decisive moment in the match for me. We completely lost the plot and our composure after the incident. If it were Pryce or Long this would be 7 page thread already.

Good luck to the lad, and a shame that a provocative lunge towards HIM rather than the BALL has hindered his development.

Ah, AC not ACL. That explains things. Hopefully it isn't too bad.

The Twitter report had AC on it. I've no idea what either injury means, except they are something to do with the shoulder!

ACL would be anterior cruciate ligament and around 8 months out, so I'm just glad it isn't that! (I thought initially it was Wellens that Carlos meant as he seemed to have a leg injury). Hopefully it'll be a standard recovery without an operation.

The quote from Saints on Twitter was: [iWheeler out for 'a long time' with an AC injury[/i. I don't know what 'a long time' means but it sounds more like months than weeks, don't you think? However, it was AC, and not ACL.

Wello has an ankle injury and, again according to his tweet, will be seen by the medics this week to assess the damage.

Wigan fan in peace.

I thought Wheeler was outstanding before his injury and him going off was a turning point. He is a player who I have never really rated when I have seen him before and he just seemed yet another Eddie and Stevo love child who they go on and on about after doing little. Today though he was the best player on the pitch before going off and I hope he isnt out for too long.

The AC joint is short for the acromioclavicular joint. Separation of the two bones forming this joint is caused by damage to the ligaments connecting them. Nasty and will take quite some time to mend. Poor lad is very unlucky and the whole incident was bad; not even a penalty and play continued round him without any stoppage at all!

A big shame for gary - can't understand why the late tackle was not put on report or at least penalised.

I just knew it would all go pear shaped after we lost him and wello.
Not only were they pivotal players, but as sizzler said it impacted on the bench options as well.
After they went we dropped our heads a bit after [utotally[/u dominating them for 30 mins.

No one mentioning the blatant forward pass for the goon first try?
Having said that we were a little like headless chickens at the end and I think we did well to come so close.

the ac joint helps with arm rotation and also allows raising the arm over the head,its a very painfull and awkward injury,basically any raising of that arm results in excrucuaiting pain

It comes in different severities according to google. Depends how severe it is but it could be potentially career ending.

The Acromion Process, basically.

Not a very nice injury at all.

What was ironic was Wigan fans, and Pat Richards saying that Gardner took him out after he had put a kick through, towards the end of the game. I wonder what their view on Hoffman's challenge on Wheeler was?

It is a shame for wheeler. He was looking good over last weeks and looked up for the game today.

IMO the was nothing in the challenge by Hoffman. That sort of hit happens every week in every game. Wilkin does it and hooper was alwYs at it.

Shoulder injuries can be bad. I did my shoulder playing at haydock and it was never the same. Even 6yrs on and it still have problems.

What Hoffman did was no different to what Hooper used to do .

But having said that, if it had been on Sam i would of been screaming blue murder.

However, Hooper is not playing in today's game so your comment is irrelevant. With respect.

I have done so, elsewhere, but no-one else seems to be considering it.

I knew the farce that has become touch judges would make a difference one day, it's just unfortunate for us that it was in our game. Without that four points to Wigan, we would have won. Maguire was very well aware of just how lucky his team had been today. We were all over them until Wheeler was taken out.

And the rules were changed to protect the kicker and people were put in the bin for it

When wilkin was able to get to the kicker few years back he did it all the time.

It happens every week in every game. It's part of the game.