Let's be realistic, he's not good enough (in the context of winning grand finals). He steadied the ship and put some decent new foundations in place, but his shelf-life is up. Last season should have been his last season because there was no progress on the previous season (in terms of actual performance, what you see on the field, patterns of play, ability to go toe-to-toe with the best) and now we're just wasting time, and possibly losing momentum as a club.

I appreciate people will say ''but who is available?'', but I'm sure if the club had thoroughly looked they'd have been able to find someone who could move us on.

This season is now over (You don't lose your first 3 games and have a realistic chance of making the grand final). Wake me up once Saints/Wigan have won the grand final (probably saints).

Still baffled by the announcement in pre-season saying that he’ll return upstairs when the right candidate is available. Surely he’s almost bullet proof after GH said that? It’s not the job he was employed for but we’ve essentially said that there is nobody available that we want, so I’d be very surprised if he’s moved on any time soon.

I know we're , but the players love him so that makes up for it.

He's pretty much bulletproof mostly because he's held in high regard by everyone at the club.

The fact that we and he and everyone knows that when there's a properly-scouted replacement he will head upstairs means there isn't really any benefit from rushing this - but we do need to find that replacement and be as sure as we can be that he is the right man. There aren't a lot of coaches who fit that bill from the UK game unfortunately.

In terms of current performance, the team looks low on morale right now, which I guess happens when you lose a couple of games and an effectively brand-new spine hasn't clicked yet. I don't think we should read too much into it beyond that, and that we've played three of the likely top 5, just yet.

Yes.

Oh dear.

Not even the correct title for a coach out thread on here.

Unless there’s unrest between him the club snd the players getting rid after 3 games won’t help anyone.

INOUT

This season is not over after 3 games at all, don’t be ridiculous.

Wigan won 1 out of their first 6 in 2019, they finished 2nd

Saints won 3 out of their first 6 in 2020 they won the comp

Ridiculous topic of conversation 3 games into the season

If we'd just lost the games that wouldn't be as big of a concern but the manner of the defeats is a big concern. The league was a 2 horse race last year finishing where we did was an indictment of the standard. We are not going to surpass that this year of that I'm certain on this evidence and that should be the aim.

Do Cronulla still want him?

Here's hoping!!

Weve lost one by 2points whilst down to 12 and 11 men, one where yes we got completely outplayed and one by one try.

So let’s say you get your wish Agar goes, who comes in? And what makes you think it would make us suddenly be on a par with saints?

And the context for me is I've felt similarly underwhelmed after so many performances this last couple of years

My point stands who comes in?

I'll admit after warrington the way they dug in in adversity was very pleasing.

Im saying yes if there's a viable alternative. How would I know who's available, Danny Ward? I'm not saying we would be immediately on a par with saints but with Agar we are not heading above where we've been that's for sure. I posted after 10 mins of last nights game predicting where it was going.

And if I was coaching the team and at half time in week 2 could sense an abject performance from their body language etc I'd be firmly pointing the finger at myself. That shouldn't be happening.

The club themselves have said the plan is for Agar to move upstairs as and when the right person comes along.

Getting rid now with no plan will help no one.

That statement in itself is surely an admittance of him not being capable of the level needed.

Maybe so, but if the right person isn’t available at the moment sacking him now will not help.

Were 3 games into a season and we’ve had a poor start, win our next 3 and the table and prospects for the season look different.

Even the next 2 could make a big difference

I admire your optimism Christopher all ifs and buts, will see you in 3 weeks then.

One thing I will add though is he needs to shut up going on about 'Leeds DNA' it's like some desperate grab on to the past in the hope that it'll inspire his troops. Let it go and let the team create their own.

It’s not optimism is pragmatism.

It’s a long season, we’ve been great in one game, terrible in another and disappointing in the last, we might stumble along at the bottom half all season we might go on a run and end up in the top 2, my point is that this early in the season is not the right time to be sacking anyone and neither is it the time to be predicting where teams will finish.

I think it’s all the years of our fans wanting Mcdermott sacked (even when he’d just joined) make me roll my eyes at these inevitable threads after a few losses.

I've always been very pragmatic and never once contributed to the mcdermott out message through all those years and was very much the opposite of that. But all context considered this time I feel Agar needs to go as soon as viably possible. Wouldn't mind seeing ward til the end of the year.

I just don’t think Ward coming in would achieve anything especially if its a short term thing

The only way id want Agar gone so early in the season is if there’s unrest in the cano like there was with Furner

If the plan is to move Agar upstairs at the end of the year we have to trust that GH and Agar are progressing. Agar still has some credit in the bank with me, but I do think he his guilty of at least a couple of comfort blanket selections: 1) Dywer - despite memorably referring to his crisp packet passing he still can't resist throwing him on to "add some spark." Enough of that, pick young Johnson and be done with it. 2) Briscoe - I know he still does some of the good things he did as a winger, but that doesn't make him a centre. He should be dropped from the first team and moved on at the end of the season. His days as a top class player are gone. If he continues to stick with these two I'll fast lose confidence in him.

I understand the whole 'its only 3 games' thing, but this just feels like a repeat of last year with different injuries. We'll no doubt have a mini-revival and tonk some poor sides at some stage, but to come into a new season looking so undercoached is not good enough.

I don't like knee-jerk sacking of coaches, and I think Agar will see out the rest of the season. I don't think he should be coach next year though. I worry that we'll hang on for too long again as we did with McDermott. There's also a risk we'll mess up like we did with Furner, but if we avoid ex-players and aim for up-and-coming NRL coaches there's actually a reasonable pool to choose from.

When it gets to the point that nothing the coach says or does makes little or no difference to performances its time to move on. Agar seems like a very honest and decent man, but that does not make him a top flight coach. Lam was similar at Wigan and got similar results in the end.

And Wigan did exactly the right thing with Lam, no knee jerk, they put in a plan and it seems to be working.