I'm a bit sick of all the stick he's getting from a lot of people on here.

Granted, he may not be a natural no 6, but that said hes been a 4 for a lot lot longer than a 6 - but if ball is slow and the forwards can't make the yards, then he's not going to be able to inject pace and set plays up.

However, i do think he needs moving back to 4 asap. Handley has been shown up as a one trick pony as i suspected and although there isn't a plethora of talent available at the moment, i'm pretty sure we could get Reynolds from Leigh who seems outstanding.

The absolute likelihood is that Moon won't be with us next season so that'll be a centre and a SO we need.

i have no problem with Moon at SO, he is a runner more than an organizer, in an ideal world we would have a ball playing 13 but that is so out of fashion nowadays. but if we had say Sutcliffe at 13 (which lets face it 20 years ago that's were he would play) that would let him and Moon share the 2nd receiver role hand allow Moon more running chances. unfortunately our pack is being mullerded every week which is helping no body, and moon is having a poor season on the back of it. if we had a pack on the front foot then i reckon Moon would be ripping it up and nobody would be having this debate. if we move Moon back to if our pack is not performing it will not change anything.

Well it will mean the ball will get further than Handley who after a few tries suddenly thinks he's Steve Renouf.

Chris Atkin from KR would also be perfect

no passing game
no kicking game
no organisational skills

but he's a great runner.

well let him run in the centre's then

or have a ball playing 1 or 13 and let him run in a open field. Moon as never been a great wingers either, just a great attacking runner, which is no bad thing.

i agree with you but at this time we need an organising half with a kicking game

Agree. Our pack is dreadful at the moment. We are playing poor desperate rugby on the back of it

Has to go back to the centres now Watkins is done for the year. He is offering little at 6, i know people are saying Lilley is not up to it but at least he would take a bit of the slack from Myler in the kicking department i don't see what other options we have at this point.

Im a big fan of Joel Moon. I get that people say hes not a 6 but we arent losing games cos of our halves. The pack is our issue at the moment. Old age and injuries are killing us.

Me too. Whatever opinions are of him at 6 though, he is one of the best Centres in SL and now we have lost our main strike player in Watkins it makes sense to shift him back now. I agree regards the pack.

I imagine Ryan Hall might not be too impressed to see the return of his non-passing centre partner. Moon doesn't do enough for his winger for him to play there for us.

Moon will be leaving come October

Moon did OK last year but he's not a good 6 in my view. It worked last year because McGuire ran the show. Myler's doing OK, but if anything seems even more isolated than McGuire as the focus for our attack. We also need to see more from Parcell and whoever is playing fullback. Whilst he's had injuries and is still young, I haven't seen much evidence this year to justify Walker's 'once in a generation' wrap either.

Bit harsh imo, the lad has had some fair spells on the sidelines so far this year.

Its ok to say we need more from Parcell, halves and our full backs but all those guys are playing behind a beaten pack most weeks.

No hooker can do anything off slow rucks especially a runner like Parcell. If he had of had Garbutt, Peteru and Galloway all season Parcell wouldve been better than hes been.

Lets be honest Moon was injured and unable to train early season and has never been same player since and is now out again. Hes probably never been fit all year.

he has been worked out by the opposition though. all he has has, albeit good, running game. he could do that from centre.lilley, imo of course, could give us direction and a kicking game

Said it for years i just dont see it with Lilley at all. Pointing isnt organising and hes an expert pointer. Never seen him create anything at all. Champiobship half back at best for me

maybe you are correct. he's had ome very good games but never a run in the team. give him a go. least we'll know one way or the other

Joel moon is leaving, he isn’t going back to aus tho as first expected. He is in talks with another super league club at the moment. Several first team players have fallen out with him because he kept it quiet and they only found out at the magic weekend. This is the reason he isn’t in the squad for Saturday against Catalans. I got this info from someone who works at the kirkstall training ground.

'He's got good organisational skills' is generally usually a polite way of saying 'he's slow'. Which from what I've seen, describes Lilley well. However, halves seem to be cementing a first team spot later than they used to, hopefully this will be true of Lilley, and he actually makes the gradequate at Leeds

Need to give lilley another run of games to decide. McDermott does not appear to like to use him though

sinfield and lockyer were slow. both had quick brains. not suggesting lilkey is anywhere near them but he was good enough to get a long contract. give the lad a run of games then he knows where he stands

Lockyer certainly wasnt slow.

he wasn't lightening quick
he read the game and was in position before the ball was kicked at times.

Certainly a damn sight quicker than Lilley at same age. In fact hes probably quicker than Lilley now.