A lot of thoughts on whether Mac should go, I was interested in what the majority are thinking at the moment, for me he goes at the end of the year unless we get top 4 (or the CC)

Come on mate that's never gonna happen with this set up surely you can see that?
It's not a dig btw just to be clear im genuinely surprised anyone could think we have a gnats pube of a chance of top 4 or CC.

Leeds coach Brian McDermott said: "There is no simple answer. As crazy as it might sound, I didn't think we were that bad in the first half.

"We were not miles off, I just think Castleford were white hot. You can pick fault in some of their tries but they were brilliant."

Is he kidding himself ?. What did he say at half time, expected them to come out & give it a go not do exactly the same.

No, he's doing a great job, give him a contract extension

I dont expect it will happen but it is still possible and I dont think changing coach mid season would do much anyway, unless we could get someone really good. So far I cant see us finishing above Wigan Wire or Cas, but Im not convinced by Saints or Hull to the extent that I would write us off completely (though Catalan are starting better than usual).
As for CC, you could get a freakily lucky run like Wigan had in 2013 and end up playing rubbish teams all the way through and a team who doesnt perform under pressure in the final.

Will just point out, Wigan lost by 60 against Wakefield last year and still won the GF. I really dont think it is, but there is a slim chance that last night will be a blip, I guess we will know more after next week.

Wigan virtually had an u19's side out weren't already on a downward spiral & hadn't suffered numerous humiliations over the last 14mths.

I would have got rid at the end of last year and thrown the cheque book at Cas for Powell but as that didnt happen, I dont think switching coach after 4 games is a good idea.
Look at Huddersfield, they got rid of Anderson mid season and were closer to relegation than we were.

Not interested in Huddersfield mate this Squad could & should be producing better even without challanging for Trophies or a top 4 spot.
The sooner change comes the better.

Get him out and now.

This sounds like an ill-informed, knee-jerk reaction to last night but it's not. It is an opinion formed over the last few seasons about a coach that doesn't possess the essential skill set needed to turn a team in decline around. He lets personality clashes with players dictate his team choices and sometimes has a clueless approach to his bench.

We would do just as well/terrible without a coach all together so save his wage and put it towards the 'Widdop' fund.

I think mcdermotts time at Leeds should be close to ending. We do have a poor quality squad, but we are still not getting the best from them.

I think Mac should be a part of the club for a long time to come. I have never been part of Mac out. I do feel we need fresh ideas especially in attack. I think Mac will move to the side at the end of the year. Ivan Cleary would be genius. But that's not happening. I fully support GH and Mac.

In what capacity can you see Mc.D still contributing if/when he is relieved of his Coaching duties mate?

Mac is a man of total integrity. A true leader of men. I unlike others don't think I know better than Mac and GH when it comes to coaching and running an RL organization.

But if you are pushing me for a response? Maybe working the door at the long bar?

After the joke of last year and then the utter failure of the game against Cas, followed by unbelievable comments from the coach after the game. He is clueless and the once might Leeds Rhino's are a joke. I have watched Leeds for 40 years and have never seen such a performance, I saw us getting hammered at Central Park and in Play off Final in 1995. So what are we going to do about it. Do we carry on writing on here, but turn up to the games. I believe we should still support the team but next Friday we should are feelings towards the coach in some way so the Board get the message that we have had enough. I open this up for discussion or are we just going to moan and do nothing.

Discuss

It's not a case of knowing better mate it's recognising that whatever both are doing is no longer working especially on the Coaching front.
Wrt GH personally i think he's lost that ruthless edge that played a huge part of our success.

He shouldn't be in any capacity if gone from coach. It is a stupid suggestion. The man can not let go, and you would be creating an issue for a new appointment. Especially when some players would be putting out the flags with his removal. It needs a clean brush through, not one tarnished like you have caught the dog poop stuck to it.

Which players are you referring to please? Baldwinson is the obvious one, but which others?

We are still in the top 8, no need for a knee jerk reaction.

for how long? your easily pleased

It's not knee jerk if it's about four years overdue. Leeds's top eight status is helped by playing their round 11 fixture early, if we wait until everyone's played equal games it might be too late to act.

Nothing will change. McDermott appears to enjoy playing the Batley's of this world to boost his league game win totals.

Contrast our team spirit & lack of fight with that shown by Wakey last night.

Can see Cunningham getting the chop at saints. I would think that the decision to axe both Cunningham and Brian mac will be several weeks away. Obviously if either coach strings together some decent results then they will remain.
Of the two my bet would be Cunningham to go first, probably Brian mac may stagger on till the end of the season. Whatever happens I am confident that neither of the coaches will be in charge next season of Leeds and saints.

Maybe add Tony Smith to the sack list now.

Which players Gotcha?

I'd like to see him go in his own time, but sadly that time was the end of last season.

We need to build - to do that we need players to want to come in close season, and to get that we need a coach who has had some time to settle (i.e. since March or April).

But I expect I'll be asking Father Christmas for a half back and some healthy forwards again - starting to think I've got more chance of that than GH turning up with the goods...