Probably not getting anyone but Burrow, Briscoe, Ablett back next week. We will more than likely lose McGuire to contact with the referee.

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Briscoe Watkins Moon Hall
Lilley Burrow
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Keinhorst Ablett
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Why is anyone even remotely looking ahead 8 days

I'd hope we have a temporary coaching team in place by this game, clearly we cannot continue under the current regime.

Like shifting the deck chairs on the titanic.those players as a group are not good enough and the coaching team have no game plan to compensate.another heavy defeat incoming.

McGuire made contact with someone then, can we add it to his tackle count.
Needs to call it a day, he is a faint shadow of the player of the past, and as a captain of the club a complete waste of space.

I'm with Biff. Rearranging 20 or so players who as a group have shown nothing for over a year is not going to fix things. It really is getting to the stage where the only viable options to turn things around are a raft of signings or a new coach.

BTW from what I've seen over the last year or so, the conditioning guys need to go as well.

Up to the end of 2015 I used to attend most games expecting that we'd win.
Last year I merely hoped we'd win.
This year I go expecting us to lose.

Good. His playing his awful, his captaincy is worse. He's quick to flap his arms around at everyone else but couldn't direct traffic let alone a team.

From Cas game (Moon and Parcell aside) it was gutless, embarrassing, effort. they should all be thoroughly ashamed.

Lilley will never be Alfie Langer, but the ways he's used by McDermott and then omitted, then brought back in.... screams like Paul McShane. Look at how Paul McShane is flourishing now.

McDermott was the answer at one point, he's not anymore. He has to go. He's coming across as arrogant and deluded. He's not the man to stop the hemorrhaging.

It's not all doom and gloom, we might only lose this one by 20.

Contact was made with Child by a Saints player trying to get back to prevent the game winning penalty try.
I wonder if that will lead to a citing?
It didn't look too dissimilar to Ablett's to my ( admittedy jaundiced) eye.

McGuire as captain looks to have been a mistake. I would appoint Carl Ablett as our new captain with JJB and Burrow vice captains.

If Ward could stay fit, he should be captain

I think it will be Ward within the next 2-3 years.

Ward without doubt should be captain starting next season. Big problem is the the poor lad looks to be one of the players who are Jinxed with injuries . Luck probably plays a big part, look at sinfields long and illustrious career, remarkably free of long term injuries.

4 rounds in and we already have a must win game, if we win then people can put the humiliation of Cas to one side and move on with the season, but if we loose I can see the confidence of the whole team plummeting and we could end up scrapping for 8th place.

Dont know what some people have seen in ablett to make him captain, he moans 10 times more than McGuire, and I don't think Burrow or JJB will be on the field enough for more than a 'club captain' role.

I agree with others that Ward should be made captain at the end of the season.

I don't know why some on here blame McGuire so much, but it has been going on long before he was captain. He didnt play well but was by no means our worst performer and produced the only real moment of creativity in the assist for moons try. Also he was pretty unselfish in sending men away from him for Cas' first try but the rest of the team was too asleep to react.
Ive said it before, we could have Wally Lewis in our team but he would never create anything because we have no dummy runners and no attacking shape.

A win against Catalans is the sort of record most on here expected from those first five fixtures, which would be the equivalent of just inside the eights. Some predicted top four, which would not happen based on that sort of record. A loss to Catalans and you are looking at a record no one was expecting.

Do you think Wire or Saints are going to make the top 4?

Yes and No

Yes, not sure what the relevance is to us. We each have different fixtures, and they have better squads. Changes make a difference.

Last year we beat Hull KR (Leigh equivalent) away, beat Salford at home, Lost away to Cas & Saints, lost at home to Catalans. We were the worst team in Super League. So we have to do something better this year to change that. A win at home to Catalans would be that tiny step, i.e just in eights sort of form. But nothing better than that yet. Of course the two weeks after Catalans, fixtures were again defeats last year, so would again indicate this years form in comparison.

The relevance is that you're all but writing Leeds' chances of reaching the top 4 off, after losing a couple of games in the first month of the season. Games we've regularly lost in the past regardless of what month we played them in and we've gone on to win Grand Finals (no i'm not saying we'll win the GF either before anyone starts)

But you're saying that Wire & Saints, despite having worse records will reach the top 4.

Wire have a better squad on paper than us but they can't buy a win at the moment.
Saints, i'd argue, really haven't got that great a squad and unless things change quickly for them then they could find themselves in the same position that we did last year.

We are repeating what we did last year. That is more relevant and more to the point. The other two are not repeating so therefore unknown.

I feel sure you meant to exclude Keinhorst from your gutless remark.

Just to make the point more here. Last year the equivalent four fixtures we scored 76 and conceded 80 in. This year the same we have scored 51 and conceded 90.

Why? More missed tackles than anyone on the pitch. In fact 9 missed tackles would be ridiculed by anyone in any day and age. You had to go some to have that record.