Why put a player in 17 man squad to leave him on bench all game , we had 2/3 players blowing/out on there feet in 60th minute I do not understand what goes though McDermott head , also one of best atmospheres in south stand them last 20 mins all Leeds art we

On this occasion, I am not sure that the adjustment that would have been made, would have helped the team in the situation we were in.

Unlike all the other occassions it has happened. Take Cas for example,Lilley left on bench but both halfbacks were poor in the game. An adjustment then would have only been a benefit. To do it last night, you would have had to move Burrow back to scrum half, Lilley back to Stand Off, Sutcliffe to centre,band Keinhorst to back row, probably just to bring Falloon on. Or he would have had to take off Burrow or Lilley.

Burrow off > Falloon on.

That's how simple it is.

Agree. Burrow was causing Hull real problems, would have been a mistake to take him out of dummy half. I do remember Diskin used to be able to come in and just play as a forward. Falloon could have come in and replaced Achurch.

My missus could have come on and had a bigger impact than Achurch ! No desire , no bottle , no hope . How this bloke can pick up his wages with a straight face beggers belief .

Agree. Would have been silly to disrupt Burrow, Sutcliffe and Lilley when it seemed like they were doing ok.

I also thought maybe he could've come on in the back row but Falloon is quite small and it depends if it's something he's used to doing.

He played the full 80 though didn't he? Delaney played his usual full 8.

He was on the pitch for the full 80 granted , Delaney probably contributed more in his 8 minutes though . Injury and a broken body is one thing , lack of desire and bottle is another .

As much as I think Achurch is a waste of space I can't agree with that. Delaney, even when on, died with the ball every carry (as usual at the moment) and was on the pitch for such a short time that it must now be clear he's far too big a gamble on the bench - especially if you are only going to use 3 subs anyway.
Delaney has done some great things in a Leeds shirt, but all good things come to an end.

But this would have been a mistake. Falloon was best staying on the bench last night.

Oh I agree. Burrow played well.

But that's how simple a sub it is. There's no need to reshuffle the team.

Agree that this time the coach got it right. Burrow had his best game and so did Lilley.
Difficult decision next week if McGuire is back.
Probably means Falloon does not make the 17.
Keinhorst as back up centre is a real plus for me and on form is a better option than Watkins.

No problem Falloon not coming on at hooker last night, Burrow was effective. After we went 20-12 up we I'd have brought him on as a fresh man on to replace one of our back rows just to shore up the defence, but not sure if we'd run out of subs by then.

I'm sorry but not using all your 17 players out of choice, in a 17 man game is just plain barmy amd inexcusable. In last night's game there was no requirement to sub Burrow, but the interchanges would allow Faloon to give another forward a break if only filling in at LF for a short period. How many games have been lost with forwards too shagged to make a critical tackle (recently Cuthbertson on Mulhern)? It's especially foolhardy when selecting Delaney who is permanently on one leg and managed 8 minutes last night. Don't let the (just) win cloud your collective judgement.

Imo it was a lucky call rather than a clever one there was no reason BF couldnt have done a stint for Delaney or Achurch in the latters case he could have been replaced by opera man & no-one would notice.

Its pretty simple really, put 4 forwards on the bench, put Burrow on the same side as Sutcliffe and Keinhorst in defence.
Sutcliffe can defend as a centre and Keinhorst can defend as a second rower.

I have never understood BMD's thinking on the use of subs, and gave up getting upset about it it a couple of seasons ago. I then found concentrating on what was going on in the match was a much more satisfying experience, and fair play to the team last night for putting in a decent shift, and gaining the points.

Summer rugby. It's the future.....

Not sure how long Delaney was on for but he managed 22 tackles with only 1 miss and 6 carries for 58m (9.67 avg)

Achurch did 33 tackles with 3 missed and also managed 58m but from 11 carries (5.27 avg, comfortably the lowest avg of all our forwards last night)

Has Falloon played at loose forward? Has he defended in that position? That would have meant moving JJB out of that defensive position and to the 2nd row.

However you bring Falloon on, it disrupts the team to some degree other than a straight swap for Burrow.

Achurch frustrates me. He gives you glimpses of what he can do, the half break and offload to Keinhorst for instance, but that's all you get, a glimpse.

I can see why we signed him, he's big, fast and got an offload on him, but I can also see why he's not got another contract.

Hopefully when Ferres and Ward are fit then Delaney can get an extended break to help ease any issues on his knackered body.

Yes I had no problem with it last night. Happened similar last year away to Cas although Burrow did get on for the last 5/6 mins when we made it a three score lead, Aiton was having that good a game he shouldn't have been taken off.

Looking at the stats none of the forwards did any silly Peacock-style huge numbers. In fact the tackles/carries from the forwards were very well shared out.

Frankly, the twice he ran in the opposite direction rather than tackle Pritchard should signal the end of his time in a Leeds shirt. I'd rather have a young kid on the field who is prepared to throw his body on the line rather than a shirker who runs away from getting involved.

Hopefully Moon will be back before long and Keinhorst can shift into the second row.

When Buderus was at Leeds, he used to start games at hooker then when Burrow came on shift to a loose-forward role defending in the middle unit. You could have done the same with Falloon last night, when Mullally was blowing out of his backside. Defending as a prop, "normal" hooker or loose-forward has very little difference, you're in the middle unit of the field.

I get the feeling either McDermott doesn't rate Falloon, or he's making a point to GH who we all know will have had final say on his signing. Given some of his cryptic comments in the media, are relationships off the field starting to fray at the seams?

I don't know if he has played LF, but he can certainly defend as a forward in the middle channel thus giving a.n.other a break. OR ...get this: if not trusted then don't bluddy select him (or any other) if you're not going to play him. Select somebody you will put on the field.

As Andy Gilder says, maybe McDermott is playing political games. Either way it is foolhardly and dangerous when the team is desperate for points and confidence.

Difference was Buderus was a great defender , what i have seen of Falloon he is not

I am inclined to agree with you regarding Delaney and what he offers at the moment in terms of reliability / fitness . but I would still argue he offers way more in terms of desire and guts than Achurch ever will . Both players are probably not giving real value , but for vastly differing reasons .