two crap teams but lord knows what we do on the training ground as we have no cohesion or set plays just panic rugby

Burrow is not a captain, he isn't directing anything out there. We look lost.

if thats how fast lilley is he aint going to make it i'm afraid

the Lilley with his leg heavily strapped?

We badly miss a real 9 and as has been mentioned elsewhere, having Burrow and Lilley on puts too much strain on the rest.People having a go at Ferres but he has run his blood to water last two games he has had to

Exactly Biff, some of the negatives will go if Ferres gets a breather/doesn't have to do as much work.

I think a lot of our issues at the minute stem from the lack of a propper hooker, but that's not exactly Macs fault (unless he stood on Falloons toe) and he is doing the best he can to cover it with the players available. It's a similar story with captain IMO. Even if Burrow is not the right choice other options can still take the initiative out on the field even if they are not expressly named the captain. All the best choices are currently unavailable.

Hopefully he will be an impact player off the bench when Ward and ablett are fit

I'm not too concerned at the moment. We just need a couple of injured players back to toughen us up a little, and we'll be fine.

Very true. Ferres has worked very hard and has a. Lot of ability but things like grabbing a leg of marker on our first set after getting back to 20-24 is just daft. Agree with others that moon can't handle the 2nd row tackling stint as well as Watkins. Covering burrow, Lilley and Walters poor misses means load is not spread around enough agonist a big, strong team

Lilley = Leeds -----> Wakey -----> Fev/Hunslet -----> HTH

It's not Ferres commitment I question its his dirty play, like elbowing opposition players faces in the tackle that bothers me. The stupid penalties he gives away are costing us field position and sets. Still can't see him as a good signing for Leeds. I am fully expecting us to be in the middle eight this year, that's fine. I think it isn't about injured players coming back it's about building a team again rather than a load of individuals.

This. The Widnes game aside, I'm fairly pleased so far this season.

I would agree. Get a few players back and we will be sweet.

Some nice touches from Sutty which is good to see.

I'm sure they will. There's way too much whipping boy SL rabble ready and willing to bend over before any other outcome might become a reality. In the rabble and sh1yte stakes, it'd be quite an effort even for this current Leeds squad to end up in the Middle 8's after 23 Rounds.

Shut up you pitiful attention seeking, lonely, desperate for attention, not had a sh@g in 30 years, ignored by everyone at your work, pathetic little man.

Who do you support again?

Is that really necessary - I have met Jeff numerous times and I can assure you he is engaging, knowledgable and intelligent and it would appear has you on the end of a string. He is only suggesting the quality of the league isn't what it should be - after the WCC you can hardly disagree.

We haven't had the best start but to say you expect us to finish middle 8s is borderline crazy talk imo. We have lost to a very good Warrington team in a game we should really have won, got stuffed at widnes who will beat a fair few top teams at home this year and lost in a close game at Catalans who will also beat most at home as they usually do.All this with no hooker, our captain and several other top players missing and either side of the WCC which was a big focus for the start of the year.

Get a few players back and things can turn quickly, we didn't look too far away at times yesterday especially on attack. I know its your opinion but we are miles ahead of the likes of Hull KR and Wakey etc.. we may not make the play offs but are Super 8s certainties.

That's quite a tantrum you've had there.

I'm not surprised you (along with several other so called Rhinos fans) have been accused of bullying on the Virtual Terrace recently.

I merely opined that a lot of teams in SL are rabble and sh1yte. Although Leeds aren't very good themselves (and neither are any of the other top clubs who recently got levelled in the WCS by NRL teams in pre-season mode), I am by no means certain that Leeds have qualified for the rabble and sh1yte category just yet. In other words, I expect them to finish in the Top 8 at the very least.

Notwitstanding your earlier bullyboy hissy fit episode, which part of my opinion above do you disagree with?

The knee jerk reactions on here are both scary and very unfair. The initial question asked what we are doing on the training ground. We don't have one and I feel that this situation can hardly be helpful; otherwise, why do professional sports clubs invest so much in training facilities?
Brian McD has been and remains a great coach of this club.
The current injury is very bad and, whilst not an excuse, is one reason for the poor results.
Even without the above, this was always going to be a challenging season.
'Keep calm and Don't Panic'!

sorry not going to fall for that one , you think they have not been able to find a suitable alternative ? . It is a poor excuse .

Not really no. How many first class facilities do you think there are in Leeds that are available when they're needed?

It will have had an effect, how big an effect I don't know but don't underestimate the effect top training environments has. That's why Leeds spent lots of money on Kirkstall in the first place.

The loss of McGuire I think is a bigger factor. If he hadn't been injured I think we'd have won both the Warrington & Catalans games and if both he and Briscoe weren't injured I think we'd have run North Queensland very close.

Get your nose out of his backside.

I don't care what personal love-ins you've had with him, 95% of his posts on here are aimed to insult so you can't complain when he gets the response his posting style aims for.

As for being knowledgable, he continually ignores posters when they ask him genuine questions about the sport and he repeatedly ignores them.......at least he's not hypocritical and expects others to answer his questions......oh wait

Cooper Cronk has the pace of a snail but hasn't done too badly in the game despite of how fast his little legs will carry him





I'm Wigan through and through but even I'm more optimistic about the Rhinos than you are....Get a grip and stop knee jerking as you're making yourself look foolish

whats knee jerk about saying we have no cohesion or set plays , unfortunatley thats how it is at the moment