Thought he put in another cracking display last night - I didn't see the game at Widnes, but have seen all his other performances and certainly think he's grabbed his opportunity and made the most of it. Looks like a good old fashioned ball playing 7 - something we've been crying out for.

As things stand, I'd say with the way he's playing he's putting himself above Sutcliffe in the pecking order, and it should be him partnering McGuire on form.

This doesn't mean I'm writing off Sutcliffe, but there's only realistically space for 1 of them in the 17 when all are fit. Sutcliffe would offer good versatility from the bench though, however, being a bench utility could hamper his development as a long term 6.

What are people's thoughts?

I thought he was fantastic last night, mature beyond his years. Always has his hand up for the ball and always communicating. Sutcliffe I also thought had a fantastic game, more so in the first half. Second half he seemed a bit lost as some posters have previously mentioned.

It's going to be a difficult choice for Mac, I do however think he'll continue to choose Sutcliffe over Lilley for the time being when the squad returns to full fitness.

Long term i see Lilley as our 1st choice 7 and he certainly warrants his selection however i still believe in terms of overall talent Sutty shades it and should retain his no6 spot when Mags is fit form & injury permitting!

Could Lilley's goal kicking be worth tapping into?

That's certainly another string to his bow...

I particularly like how confident he seems to be in taking control - he gets his hands on the ball plenty and also isn't afraid to take the line on, and I think that's vital for a 7 to be a running threat as well as an organiser. He certainly doesn't wait for the game to come to him, which if I'm being really critical is something I think Sutcliffe can be guilty of at times (and so can some of our best players - Watkins for instance).

Lilley and Sutcliffe have a combined wage of £32K according to McD's post-match interview. Puts a lot of things in perspective...

If McGuire was back this week I think he'd stick with Sutcliffe, but you know McGuire will miss around 5/6 more so chance for that to change if Lilley keeps impressing.

Does that mean pay them more & they'll somehow be better players?

Of course not.... As an interesting ratio though the half back pairing of Thurston and Morgan will be on around 30x that amount....

Apparently, I've heard the same argument regarding the Salary Cap. If the SL cap was as high as the NRL cap we'd be just as good as them.

I think thats the key, for me Sutcliffe is the more talented player and seems to have a really good kicking game in fact, the problem is he doesn't take on the kicking duties enough and wont just grab the game by the scruff of the neck as Thurston did at the start of the second half hopefully that will come with more starts at 6
Lilley is good but still needs improvement and would benefit a lot from a lengthy loan at a championship club when possible where he can learn to control games and keep consistant for 80 mins, a few times last night he kicked a nothing kick straight to there fullback when we were in their half and should be looking to force repeat sets, this is okay for an up and comer but not a first choice 7

Are you saying that Sutcliffe kicked well last night?

Well it would go some way to achieving this if it enabled SL to attract half their best players over and brought a return of half of our stars now playing in the NRL. Oh and half their top coaches too.

The problem with raising the cap is that the current batch of players would be the first in the queue asking for a raise. You would attract a few better Aussies, but the cap would need to be astronomical to attract really top NRL stars or - as per your avatar - RU players. The NRL cap is going through the roof and there's no way SL will compete on the basis of money.

What SL needs to do is work on getting better at all levels. To be fair we're seeing signs of better junior development - the best British threequarters at least look capable of challenging the Aussies physically for example, which wasn't the case a few years ago.

But its still not enough. Halfback is still a wasteland, and we have players with basic flaws playing their entire careers at the highest level in SL without needing to fix them.

Two examples at Leeds would be a halfback in Burrow who if he had no running game would probably be low-end championship standard as an actual halfback (he basically can't pass or kick well at all if we're honest), and Hardaker who if he was in the NRL would be dropped and sent back to the reserves until he learned to pass instead of being touted as an international full back.

No, that's not what he said. Are you drunk?

I agree. Also Tom Briscoe would never have scored those 5 tries at Wembley if he wasn't good at running fast & zig-zaggy and let's be honest here.. Kevin Sinfield wouldn't have kicked half as many goals if he wasn't good at kicking goals.

Maybe Zak should take passing lessons from Billy Slater? Genius that guy.

Billy Slater plays a key role in many Storm attacking plays, including passing the ball.

Why so defensive? Are you suggesting that Burrow and Hardaker don't have those flaws and they aren't actually quite important in the roles they play?

They are examples of players who have had stellar careers in England but would be very different players if they were in the NRL. Burrow would have had to learn to kick and pass or simply not play NRL. Hardaker would need to pass to play full back. There's a direct comparison for Hardaker in Josh Hoffman, who had a very similar tendency to die with the ball far too often at the Broncos. His good defence and strong runnng got him a gig as NZ fullback. Wayne Bennett took one look at him and got rid in favour of a fullback who could pass. At the Titans he's been told he's a centre or nothing.

The point is that in SL these players not only survive but thrive. In the NRL they pretty soon get found out and either work hard on their game to get rid of their flaws or end up discarded.

I have to disagree. I dont think the cap would need to be 'astronomical' for us to compete. The fact is that had the cap kept pace with inflation from when it was introduced we would be looking at a cap of nearly a million more. If it had kept up with inflation from what wigan were spending in 2001 it would be 3.5m which is roughly what the aussies are spending.

Another thing is that the difference between NRL and SL sides isnt every player. Its the marginal talents. I dont agree that Hardaker would be back in the reserves. He is comfortably NRL quality. I think most leeds players are capable of being NRL players. The main difference between Leeds and NQC is that Leeds have 2 or 3 players who arent NRL quality at first team, and outside that probably none, and NQC have 2 or 3 players who are way above SL quality, and a squad access to 30 maybe 35 players who can do a job at NRL level.

There isnt a huge difference in my opinion between most players at Leeds, Wigan, Saints etc and those in the NRL. But their best is better and our worst are worse.

Burrow wouldn't be a halfback in the NRL with his current skill set. Hardaker's physical attributes would mean he'd play but probably on the wing, or centre at a push. Full back is a key playmaking role in virtually every NRL side. A player who dies with the ball too often simply won't last there.

Strength in depth I agree is a huge difference.

The point about the cap is that it hasn't kept pace. Its fallen a long way behind so from today it would need a big leap to even get close.

I think all things considered lilley was good. By that I mean taking into account age, experience, the opposition and injuries to the squad. That said he has a long way to go. Those saying he should be our 7 need to just slow down a touch. Let the kid develop at a sensible pace.

As for sutty, I remain on the fence. However, I did think this was his best game so it probably shows he has been a little under cooked since his injury. Hopefully this is the start of both his fitness and confidence coming back.

It will be interesting if Falloon is fit at the weekend.

You missed the point. He was suggesting sending Lilley to the Championship for a spell as he felt Sutty was the better kicker! Of the two Lilley looks a much better halfback including a better kicker and looks ready for SL now.

The suggestion had been if the SL cap were raised to the same level as the NRL cap. In which case we could compete for the best players as I said. If SL wants to increase the standard of rugby and attract bigger attendances, sponsorship and TV fees it will have to attract some class from outside if it cannot produce the talent locally. It is a business decision really. Of course we have to invest and improve the development of junior rugby but that will take time before we start to see the results. In the meantime we face the risk of losing support from those that don't want to watch a second class product.

You can increase the salary cap but you cannot create a SOO which is a major driver for top Australian players wanting to remain in the NRL. You cannot get away from the gulf in standard and the desire of the very best players wanting to test themselves at the very highest level. Add to that the country - Sydney/Brisbane - Leeds/Wigan - its a no brainer. It isn't just about money - having more money to spend doesn't mean you will attract the correct type of player that will enhance the competition

If Zac turns out to as good as Billy Slater he will be the full back this country has produced for a very long time - the fact you are unable to acknowledge his short comings suggests you need to remove your blinkers.

As for Briscoe - you could have scored some of those trys - the weakness of the opposition that day was an embarrassment to one of the two show piece events in our calender. Leroy Rivett scored four in a similar game I would suggest scoring loads of trys at Wembley is hardly a pointer to greatness

Lighten up Sal FFS, it was a joke. You don't have to be a boring pessimistic old fart EVERY day, take a day off. It'll do you good.