.... matches without Kevin?

The letter of the law says very many. Without Kevin I am no longer confident of a successful season.

McGuire and Burrow back to being the half backs?

I don't think Sutcliffe or Ward or stand offs....Moon or even Watkins - so dangerous with ball in hand - would be better.

BUT then who fills the vacant centre spot? Handley?

Can he enter an early guilty plea for this kind of offence?

Not sure if putting your head into someones face is the same as a headbut , should not be but not sure how the disciplinary see it

he got the situation wrong but it was defiantly a head butt after dorn had decided not to square up.

Was it a defiant headbutt , or definitely a headbutt sweetheart ?

media.therfl.co.uk/docs/On%20Fie ... -Final.pdf (Page 7) 1-3 games, depends whether it is considered a "light contact" or "full contact" headbutt

media.therfl.co.uk/docs/On%20Fie ... -Final.pdf (Page 7) 1-3 games, depends whether it is considered a "light contact" or "full contact" headbutt

He won't get a ban Leeds run the RFL don't they?

It was a football headbutt not a rugby headbutt. The over-reaction to it, starting from the Sky clowns downwards, has been immense. I don't know what's happened to our game.

Still surprised Sinfield did it, but should be Grade B, light contact headbutting which is 1-2 match ban minus early guilty plea. Grade C would be full contact with head 2-3 matches. Grade E is full contact with head in violent aggressive manner (4-8 matches no EGP) but anyone who actually knows what a headbutt is wouldn't charge him with that.

He should get grade B, probably will get grade C, and there'll be 30-page threads on how outrageous it all is that he's ever allowed to play again.

Dorn had unfairly won a penalty by holding on to Sinfield who took umbrage at this and the verbals from Dorn as he took a step towards Sinfield with his face extended. Sinfield inexcusably pushed his face into Dorn's face not quite in the classic head butt style. It was more of a Aussie kiss and Dorn in his after match interview showed that no damage was done. Sinfield will plead guilty with no wicked intent and previous good record so should get a lower ban which could still be 4 matches as use of the head is frowned on.

Aye. Fans claim it's gone soft an it's been sanitised but yet whenever anything remotely resembling "biff" happens on a RL field the same fans who complain the games gone soft are the first ones to get sand in their gash over it.

Grade C - EGP 2 match ban

Good god the foaming at the mouth if he only gets 2 matches and is free to play in the CC semi will be at unprecedented levels from other fans.

Btw wouldn't argue at all if he did get 3 matches (seems around the right mark to me).

It won't ruin the season as a whole as he'd have to get a very unlikely 7/8 games which would roll into the playoffs......but the CC could be a different story.

If somehow he got 5 matches he'd miss Wembley IF we get there.

It wasn't a proper headbutt, but it was certainly aggressive. I'd expect 4-6 matches. Ignoring the hyperbole and mouth-frothing, it was a very stupid thing to do. Most unexpected from him, and very disappointing. Whatever happened to provoke it, Dorn gets a bit of credit for his reaction. No girly rolling around and histrionics to the ref.

Might have cost us a point tonight (although I thought Cas were more than good value for one). Could cost more with a semi final looming.

I think you have gave a good balanced post. I would moan if he got less than 3, personally would say 4 with a game off for good behaviour.

McDermott dry-runs the case for the defence in his press conference here: www.therhinos.co.uk/matchdaytv/? ... a&id=18786 I hope the journos picked up on the key message at its third repetition. Did you know that Sinfield has played hundreds of games and has had just two seconds, no errr make that half a second of madness? ? "I think we can all afford him a little momentary lapse can't we". We can, Brian, we surely can. One of the RFL's nice warning letters should do the trick.

McDermott dry-runs the case for the defence in his press conference here: www.therhinos.co.uk/matchdaytv/? ... a&id=18786 I hope the journos picked up on the key message at its third repetition. Did you know that Sinfield has played hundreds of games and has had just two seconds, no errr make that half a second of madness? ? "I think we can all afford him a little momentary lapse can't we". We can, Brian, we surely can. One of the RFL's nice warning letters should do the trick.

If you're giving 4-6 matches on a maximum grade for that then what do you do when someone lands a *real* headbutt? You'll have to invent new letters for the disciplinary process.

If he gets 4 matches for that I will consider watching another sport. No more contact than the Leigh player who dropped on Peacock - and he wasn't even charged. Now if Dorn had manned up and thrown a few then I would have been happy with that as well.

As has been said the RFL do not like head butts.
OK we've all seen far worse but after last week's Catalans nonsense I think they'll go with a four match ban reduced by one for an EGP and previous good record.
Three matches and a £300 fine.
Missing the semi is the really big question.
How will Leeds manage without their leading player?

Anyone who wants to wonder what's happened to the game could search a well known site for Andy Farrell headbutt, or Adam Fogerty headbutt. Yellow cards both of them (good old Russell). Then they could search for Les Boyd headbutt (play on!). Some of the delicate flowers on here would probably need a good lie down afterwards though.

Kris Welham received no suspension for a headbutt on Luke Dorn back in February.

If the RFL don't like use of the head, why didn't Monaghan get a masisve suspension for what he did to Sinfield in the GF a few years back? That was one of the most cynically dangerous fouls I've seen, with far more force than the average headbutt, yet nothing seemed to come of it.

I think the RFL will give him 2/3 games I actually think he expected Dorn to come into him as well in a head shoving confrontation but Dorn held his ground.

2 games and an EGP. misses next week

I've not seen the incident so can't comment. But when I heard about it my 1st thought was he'll get 2 matches with the RFL saying it would be 3 but 'good record,heat of the moment, no real damage to other player, red card given during game etc etc etc etc.

He'll get 2 games reduced to 1 if the EGP is available (I'm not sure it is an option for anything over grade B).