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| He should do.
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| A complaint should also be made about Wane and Tomkins
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| If he appeals though he could face two matches and when you read what the board said its something along lines of "contact with the head = ban". Can't see them budging on that.
Also tomkins expressed an opinion on twitter not a criticism as far as i have seen so can't see a complaint standing. Likewise wane stated an opinion as well as mcdermott so in the grand theme of things can't see there being a big fuss.
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"A complaint should also be made about Wane and Tomkins'"
Wouldn't stoop to that. Answer them on the pitch and the scoreboard.
And if that doesn't work then a nice air-clearing dust-up in the 80th minute should give Red Hall the opportunity to be "consistent" before the Grand Final.
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| Quote ="craigizzard"Wouldn't stoop to that. Answer them on the pitch and the scoreboard.
And if that doesn't work then a nice air-clearing dust-up in the 80th minute should give Red Hall the opportunity to be "consistent" before the Grand Final.'"
Was thinking exactly the same myself. If after 60-65 minutes we're clearly out of the game it is up to the likes of Bailey to target some of their more influential players with a bit of rough stuff and verbals. I'd also like some of our other lads to develop a nasty edge for games like this. It's all got a little bit cosy between some of our lads and opposition players for my liking. I would like to see Ratboys face rearranged if we're defo crashing out, by fair means or foul. Like you say, let's give the judiciary chance to show their "consistency".
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| Quote ="leeds owl"Was thinking exactly the same myself. If after 60-65 minutes we're clearly out of the game it is up to the likes of Bailey to target some of their more influential players with a bit of rough stuff and verbals. I'd also like some of our other lads to develop a nasty edge for games like this. It's all got a little bit cosy between some of our lads and opposition players for my liking. I would like to see Ratboys face rearranged if we're defo crashing out, by fair means or foul. Like you say, let's give the judiciary chance to show their "consistency".'"
Thing is our winger is 6ft (Saint Pat .... Sir to you) ..... I really don't think its Bailey style to pick on anything other than 5ft wingers or scrum halves. Goodnight cupcake
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| Quote ="leeds owl"Was thinking exactly the same myself. If after 60-65 minutes we're clearly out of the game it is up to the likes of Bailey to target some of their more influential players with a bit of rough stuff and verbals. I'd also like some of our other lads to develop a nasty edge for games like this. It's all got a little bit cosy between some of our lads and opposition players for my liking. I would like to see Ratboys face rearranged if we're defo crashing out, by fair means or foul. Like you say, let's give the judiciary chance to show their "consistency".'"
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| This has gone a bit too far.
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| Wow there are some pretty low suggestions on here. You want your players to develop a "nasty edge" if the game runs away from you?
Sorry but that's just ridiculous and completely uncalled for. Just remember how easy it is for players to be seriously hurt in fair play let alone foul.
Your an embarrassment to your club and im pretty sure if your players were shown these comments they would agree. Or at least id hope so.
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| Quote ="blackpoolwigan"Wow there are some pretty low suggestions on here. You want your players to develop a "nasty edge" if the game runs away from you?
Sorry but that's just ridiculous and completely uncalled for. Just remember how easy it is for players to be seriously hurt in fair play let alone foul.
Your an embarrassment to your club and im pretty sure if your players were shown these comments they would agree. Or at least id hope so.'"
completely agree, absolutely out of order comments on here.
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| Quote ="blackpoolwigan"Wow there are some pretty low suggestions on here. You want your players to develop a "nasty edge" if the game runs away from you?
Sorry but that's just ridiculous and completely uncalled for. Just remember how easy it is for players to be seriously hurt in fair play let alone foul.
Your an embarrassment to your club and im pretty sure if your players were shown these comments they would agree. Or at least id hope so.'"
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| Quote ="leeds owl"Was thinking exactly the same myself. If after 60-65 minutes we're clearly out of the game it is up to the likes of Bailey to target some of their more influential players with a bit of rough stuff and verbals. I'd also like some of our other lads to develop a nasty edge for games like this. It's all got a little bit cosy between some of our lads and opposition players for my liking. I would like to see Ratboys face rearranged if we're defo crashing out, by fair means or foul. Like you say, let's give the judiciary chance to show their "consistency".'"
your not tough enough flower
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| Quote ="Pieman"your not tough enough flower'"
Fook off back to your own boring forum pie muncher no ones interested in what you have to say
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| To get back to the topic at hand.....
Is it not worth us putting an appeal in on the grounds it is a showpiece event in the RL calendar, he is one of the stars of Super League and Red Hall are alllllll Rhinos??
Surely the deck is stacked completely in our favour! We can not lose.....
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| Oh and of course the Rugby Gods will provide their divine intervention should Red Hall's course of action not appease them.
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| Quote ="blackpoolwigan"Wow there are some pretty low suggestions on here. You want your players to develop a "nasty edge" if the game runs away from you?
Sorry but that's just ridiculous and completely uncalled for. Just remember how easy it is for players to be seriously hurt in fair play let alone foul.
Your an embarrassment to your club and im pretty sure if your players were shown these comments they would agree. Or at least id hope so.'"
Agreed, but it was only one numpty
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| Quote ="leeds owl"Was thinking exactly the same myself. If after 60-65 minutes we're clearly out of the game it is up to the likes of Bailey to target some of their more influential players with a bit of rough stuff and verbals. I'd also like some of our other lads to develop a nasty edge for games like this. It's all got a little bit cosy between some of our lads and opposition players for my liking. I would like to see Ratboys face rearranged if we're defo crashing out, by fair means or foul. Like you say, let's give the judiciary chance to show their "consistency".'"
Complete tosh.
There is nothing wrong with playing the game hard and fair, which is what I would expect to see. I do not want us to start re arranging people's faces just because we are losing! It's only a game at the end of the day FFS
If we are losing with 60 mins gone I would much rather our players got their headed down get a few try's back and make the score closer. Rather than acting petulantly and fighting.
Regarding our players being too friendly. I have seen no evidence of this at all. Yes after the whistle but in the games no favours are asked for or given, which is how the game should be played
As tez said of Barrie mac
" he will try and take your head of in the game, and help you look for it after the game"
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| Quote ="blackpoolwigan"If he appeals though he could face two matches and when you read what the board said its something along lines of "contact with the head = ban". Can't see them budging on that.
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What do we lose? McGuire for a pointless game at the start of next season? Its worth the appeal from a Leeds POV in my opinion and I reckon he would get off. It's happened before with Leeds payers. They get the initial ban to make it look like they get punished then on appeal they overturn it.
Worth the attempt IMO.
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| I'd appeal but you run the risk of the ban being increased if you do.
Not appealing perhaps sends out the right message and keeps McGuire fresh for a Harry Sunderland winning Grand Final appearance.
I personally don't care for the comments being attributed to Shaun Wane and would hope no Leeds coach would allow themselves to get involved in a situation that hadn't occurred in a game he was involved with.
I trust Leeds will turn up focussed and ready to give Wigan a really tough game.
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| Quote ="blackpoolwigan"You want your players to develop a "nasty edge" if the game runs away from you?
Sorry but that's just ridiculous and completely uncalled for. Just remember how easy it is for players to be seriously hurt in fair play let alone foul.
Your an embarrassment to your club and im pretty sure if your players were shown these comments they would agree. Or at least id hope so.'"
This.
If we lose, let's do it with some dignity. If we win, let's do that with dignity as well.
I can't see the point in appealing. I think there will have been scores of similar incidents not picking up bans all season, but the law has been applied, so I can't see what basis there would be for an appeal.
I wasn't overly impressed with Wane's comments, which were broadly similar to that irksome habit football players have of waving imaginary yellow cards around. Not worth getting your panties in a bunch over, and not the sort of thing that demands punishment. Just a bit low class. Likewise Tomkins' tweeting. Neither of them were the first to do it, nor will they be the last.
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| Quote ="leeds owl"Was thinking exactly the same myself. If after 60-65 minutes we're clearly out of the game it is up to the likes of Bailey to target some of their more influential players with a bit of rough stuff and verbals. I'd also like some of our other lads to develop a nasty edge for games like this. It's all got a little bit cosy between some of our lads and opposition players for my liking. I would like to see Ratboys face rearranged if we're defo crashing out, by fair means or foul. Like you say, let's give the judiciary chance to show their "consistency".'"
IDIOT.
Lets save the energy to win by a drop goal or a late penalty (like 2011).
If we play well and keep the score close and go out and perform from the start... trust me, Wigan will loose their edge, if we don't show up from the start, Wigan will win.
And as for McGuire? Don't appeal, win the game without him, and he is fresh and back for the final, if he gets a place because I reckon Ward will have a point to proove if he is the chosen replacement.
Yes, McGuire is a GREAT Player, but Ward is also a great young player... wanting to proove something, and with Burrow and Sinfeild next to him this may happen.
All said... Since when did we become a side with 1 player?
Show Wigan up on the feild for making a fuss over 1 player trying to get a ban... because they now think this game is a done deal. Have lost all respect for Wane and didn't really have any for Tomkins... I would expect all Leeds players to be making sure Tomkins can't have a good game now as he will be their game changer.
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| I am sworn never to write this group of Leeds players off again, so I think we always have a chance in play-off games. But with or without McGuire, Friday's game looks like a big ask. Not saying we can't win, but Wigan will be big favourites for a reason.
Identifying Sam Tomkins as their biggest threat (not their only threat by any means) is quite easy, I think quite a few teams have probably noticed that. Stopping him is a slightly trickier proposition. Not so many manage that.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"I am sworn never to write this group of Leeds players off again, so I think we always have a chance in play-off games. But with or without McGuire, Friday's game looks like a big ask. Not saying we can't win, but Wigan will be big favourites for a reason.
Identifying Sam Tomkins as their biggest threat (not their only threat by any means) is quite easy, I think quite a few teams have probably noticed that. Stopping him is a slightly trickier proposition. Not so many manage that.'"
I wouldn't over think it - just hope for the best and get behind the lads. Like you say, we always have a chance.
Come on!!!
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| In the absence of McGuire Ward isn't ready yet to take on the role of half back. If he leaves Burrow at Dummy half everything will fall onto Sinfield's shoulders, he will be closed down and we will lose. Like the Challenge Cup Final.
Ward is going to be a terrific player for us, I don't doubt, and I would play him at 13 but not six or 7.
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