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After watching your game last night and watching Hardaker and Watkins especially run riot against Wakey. I'm just curious who you all find the most valuable to Leeds out of Watkins, BJB, Hardaker and Hall? Quality British backline who many teams will be envious of.
For me Watkins and Hardaker are the most valuable to Leeds. Watkins seems to of got past his injuries he seemed to pick up over the last couple of years and Zak has been a major coup for Leeds.

If you could of keep one who would be your choice?
Tough choice but I think for me it would be Watkins.

Hard to say really, but Hardaker and Watkins can change a game on their own. Hardaker is similar to Tomkins in that you're never safe if you kick to him, he can be devastating on a kick return, as he showed last night, so you can never switch off. One of the best broken field runners in the game. Watkins, if you get him one-on-one with his opposite number, rarely comes off second best. Needs work on his defence but I'm sure it'll come.

All four players are fantastic youngsters but it's Zak for me the way he has come on since the switch to full back has been a revolation.

I would agree. He really is Special.

For me wingers are easier to replace than other back positions in good teams.

That said I think Hall has far more than just a wingers game. I still see his future in the back row, where I think he will be sensational.

It's amazing to think how far Zak has come in such a short space of time

Do you expect to keep him at fullback where he's been brilliant or are you bringing a fullback in? One player I think is over rated is Ablett, I just don't see it with him. Although you obviously see alot more of him than me. But if it was me I'd be keeping Hardaker at 1.

For me I'd play him at Full Back every week, however given who is coaching the side......

Ablett for me is vastly underated

The Leeds backs were class last night and we couldn't live with their pace.

I think it's a given that Zak will have a new number on his back nxt year. My only worry is with BMD's brain waves it could be number 8.



On a serious note Zak will be taking Webbys number nxt season.

I can remember posting on here before the season started hom exited I was about our back line. For me it's better now then it was then. I feel the only issue is with the no 4 shirt. Ablett has done a good job there this year but I still feel his future is in the back row. It all depends how highly the club rate Jimmy as to what they do about it. Personally I'd give him the shirt next year and see how he goes.

Both Zak and Kallum are top, top players. When fit Kallum is the best attacking player in Super League, its just whether you can get him out on the paddock consistently enough. Zak is only going to improve, a very good signing.

I would have Zak at full back for England, he is secure under the kick compared to Tomkins, Tomkins would push up to stand off for me.

BJB's positioning in defence is appalling and has been all season. he needs to sort it out or he will be in danger of being dropped or even replaced

I think there are a lot better wingers in SL, than BJB.

If Watkins played for Wigan or Warrington, he'd showcase his ability so much better as they distribute the ball to their backs.

We still need to sign a centre so that we can stop messing Ablett about. Sign a first choice centre with Keinhorst as back up. Ablett can then go back in to the back row. As good a centre as he is I don't think he sees his long term future there.

There's something to that, but because of the way we line up BJB and Watkins (or more often BJB and McGuire given Watkins is presumably instructed to defend so far inside) are consistently left 3 or 4 on 2. Not sure what BJB's positioning is supposed to be in those circumstances.

If the rumour i've heard is correct we've already signed Briscoe,

Im sure he started off in the centres.

I believe so.

Just what Leeds need: a champagne signing to bring the crowds in. No, seriously



The club might [ithen[/i be able to afford the major forward replacements that are so much more badly needed (they're obviously not going to promote within from the signings already on the books)

Briscoe will never make a centre imo, he just doesn't have the hands or rugby brain to make it as a centre. Leave him as a winger were he's one of the best in the league in his position.
As for Leeds signing him. No chance, strong rumours are his willing to chance his arm in the NRL after next season, and fair play to him if that's what he wishes to do.

Watkins is potentially the best centre we have produced since Newlove and Connoley. Something radical needs to be done about his defence - he seems incapable of reading the game at the moment.

In attack he glides over the surface superb to watch.

Always rated Watkins and i think defensively he suffers because of our structure and the ones around him rather than his own individual errors.
As for Zak our best signing since Webb and imo he can be as good as he wants to be and i hope to see him stay at FB.
Watkins will always create havoc IF he gets decent ball and i just hope he can now stay injury free.
As for Hall he's a gem and has so much more than many wingers around and imo is one of the best wingers if not THE best winger we've ever had.
I rate Bjb he just needs consistency but is capable of some great things but can also drop brain-farts and imo he's lucky we didn't have a coach who is more ruthless because his place could have alreday gone to Chisolm for at the very least a couple of games.

My personal opinion is that BJB just isn't a very good defender full stop whilst i think Watkins just suffers from playing in a defensively poor team. I think his defence would look more than solid if he was over at Wigan or Wire.
Even with a different line-up that right side has looked just as weak this season, anyone remember....

Wigan at home 8-50??? That was Ablett and Smith.
Warrington Away 18-37??? That was Ablett and BJB.
Saints at Home 18-31??? That was Watkins and Smith.

Watkins is devastating in attack, ripped us to pieces along with burrow last night. Un the forwards peacock was great for you guys

The only concern I have with our back line is BJB's defence - Wakey targeted him throughout the game as I guess they saw him as our weakest link.

That being said, if you had the choice to either kick to BJB or Hall - who would you choose?

It is interesting to note which flank most of the tries were scored down again ... I'll give you a clue, it's not the wing with Hall on it

I thought Watkins got bagged for defensive efforts at Wembley when time and again he and BJB were outnumbered and facing a team running very good set plays. The tries down that wing were largely created by the plays before.

Ablett's a very capable centre, and I'd have no problem with him remaining there if that's where he wanted to play. But in an ideal world it is a position that could be improved on, as sometimes his movement is a bit slow in both attack and defence.