Let's be honest....some on here are far too optimistic. Same old next season....unless we can get Kylie and Peacock to retire gracefully.



Kirke, Griffin to def follow Hauraki down the road.

1. Hardaker
2. Jones-Bishop
3. Watkins
4. Ablett (Keinhorst)
5. Hall
6. McGuire
7. Burrow
8. Amor
9. McShane
10. Singleton
11. Jones-Buchanan
12. BIG NEW LINE BUSTING SIGNING/ Ali

(Ablett)
13. Sinfield
14. Ward
15. Delaney
16. Bailey
17. Achurch
18. Keinhorst (Clarkson)
19. Hood ......1ST CHOICE INTERCHANGE HOOKER OFF BENCH
20. Daniel Smith
21. Moore
22. Chisholm ...... STRAIGHT IN ON WING if Hall trialed in centre or second row.


23. Briscoe ...... IMMEDIATE CHOICE behind Hardaker at FB
24. Syron
25. Clarkson ( some other kid )
26. Olds ..... IMMEDIATE CHOICE if McGuire/Burrow unavailable at SH
27. A.n.other kid
28. A.n.other kid

1. Hardaker
2. Jones-Bishop
3. Watkins
4. Keinhorst
5. Hall
6. McGuire
7. Burrow
8. Leuluai
9. McShane
10. Peacock
11. Jones-Buchanan
12. Ablett
13. Sinfield
14. Achurch
15. Delaney
16. Bailey
17. Kirke
18. Clarkson
19. Taylor (from Hull KR)
20. Griffin
21. Amor
22. Ward
23. Hood

Singleton, Smith, Chisholm & Briscoe to be found lower-level SL clubs for season-long loans. i.e. London.

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Will Achurch count on the overseas quota? He's obviously not "Federation Trained" but I suspect a large part in his attractiveness to Leeds was the fact that he has a Britsh passport and has already suggested he'd like to play for England.

In any event down to currently 3/4 "overseas" players, of whom I suspect the club would like to offload at least Hauraki.

He won't count against the quota of five "overseas" players providing he obtains a UK passport.

He will however count against the quota of five "non Federation trained" players as he hasn't played in an RLEF member country for three years prior to the age of 21.

Nantwich Jared Stewart was released a couple of months ago

Noticed that he hasnt played a game for the U20s at all this season, so I wouldnt be surprised. Any idea where he has gone?

You guys have far too much time on your hands. The season isn't even over yet.

Betts seems to think we can make our loan signings permanent. Not sure how much truth is in this but if true I'd be over the moon, be better than a new signing. Class player www.trustinwidnes.com/forum/inde ... 974.0.html Maybe he knows he has a cemented position at widnes were Leeds squad offers a lot more quality. We'll see And before you say, I know he's on a five year contract

Betts seems to think we can make our loan signings permanent. Not sure how much truth is in this but if true I'd be over the moon, be better than a new signing. Class player www.trustinwidnes.com/forum/inde ... 974.0.html Maybe he knows he has a cemented position at widnes were Leeds squad offers a lot more quality. We'll see And before you say, I know he's on a five year contract

Back to Cumbria as far as I know, apperently once he gained his fitness after injury Brian Mc had him mowing the grass at HQ then called him in and released him. He shared a house with Brad Singleton and when Brad come home from training at Dewsbury all Jareds stuff had gone and they had moved somebody else in!!!

Being told by Brian Mc to mow the lawn tells you exactly what he thought of the lad

If that's true then thats a c##*s trick.
I was speaking to JW at the 9's and he seemed in good spirits and looking forward to getting back playing for the u20's after a nightmare time with injuries!!.
As for Mcshane he's clearly a better all round 9 than Lunt but his future looks elsewhere another master-stroke by our coach/club.
What next talk a 35yr old Prop running ion empty out of retriring??.........................Oh wait a minute

yeah its true I wouldve stuck one on him if i had been in Jareds shoes but bein only 5ft nowt it would be a low blow!
I think Lunts ok but thats all and Mcshane is better now with far less experience than Lunt he needs bringing back and given the game time he shouldve had this season

I'd be very surprised if that's true, knowing how paranoid the groundsman and his staff are over who touches their beloved pitches.

Quote ="Viva La Vikings!!"Betts seems to think we can make our loan signings permanent. Not sure how much truth is in this but if true I'd be over the moon, be better than a new signing. Class player www.trustinwidnes.com/forum/inde ... 974.0.html Maybe he knows he has a cemented position at widnes were Leeds squad offers a lot more quality. We'll see And before you say, I know he's on a five year contract'" Betts doesnt mention Mcshane he only talks about the Wigan loanies and before you say owt I have read the article its the journo that mentions leeds not Betts

Quote ="Viva La Vikings!!"Betts seems to think we can make our loan signings permanent. Not sure how much truth is in this but if true I'd be over the moon, be better than a new signing. Class player www.trustinwidnes.com/forum/inde ... 974.0.html Maybe he knows he has a cemented position at widnes were Leeds squad offers a lot more quality. We'll see And before you say, I know he's on a five year contract'" Betts doesnt mention Mcshane he only talks about the Wigan loanies and before you say owt I have read the article its the journo that mentions leeds not Betts

I'd be very surprised if the Leeds ground staff allowed this to happen.

All a matter of opinion but right now I wouldn't have McShane in my side ahead of Lunt. Other than an extra kicking option he doesn't offer anything to offset his tendency to go too high defensively.

ABC Radio call in Aus just said that Heighington was coming over to the UK with Ellis.

I think that most people have McShane in a similar bracket to Lunt, with both having some positives over the other. I think people's problem is that if we were to settle for a player in that ball park of ability, why bother shipping one out to bring in a replacement of similar ability, with arguably less potential

Mcshanes cut out pass is far better than Lunts ,his go forward from DH is better imo and also he offers more versatility ,is young enough to still improve and defending is hardly Lunts strong point either.
Mcshane for me every time.

What versatility? He's played a handful of games in the 20s at scrum half - not a position Leeds are short in.

McShane didn't look quite ready to me when he left on loan. I struggled to see what the fuss was about to be honest.

If a sustained run of games at the slightly lower pressure environment at Widnes (no disrespect intended, but expectations are a little different currently) has fixed that he could be an asset next season.

I also harboured a few suspicions about his attitude. Which may be groundless, but there is always more to being part of a squad than just what we see on the field at the weekend, as much as most folk on here seem to be able to coach a side without seeing what happens on the training pitch. Much as the odd poster seems to think he/she would happily select academy players they've never seen play a game... or have left the club.

He has also played at 13 and done it well.

I dissagree.

Agree on the cut out pass, and would also had kicking. But I think Lunt is far more versatile and much better than McShane.

Personally, I think Lunt has been a lot better than given credit for. Has with other players he has been asked to change his game to suit a new style by a coach who is just clueless, but that isn't the players fault. At times you have what Lunt can bring to the table given the opportunity.

You're just being pedantic.

Swap you Jon Clarke? Go on?