Burrows 60 mins on the bench whats that all about??????? Was we beaten by the better game plan??????

We were beaten by a team who have a coach that is light years ahead of ours. Warrington were very good, and even when we were holding them in the first half, we didn't really look as though we were structured, organised, had a gameplan or good technique.

We have forgotten everything that Smith coached us, and it shows. We continually lose collisions, we are forever disorganised on the last tackle, we have no shortage of effort but plenty of shortage of brains. Delaney works hard and can run some good lines, but needs to learn hoe to defend in a structure. We seriously lack go forward and composure, two key ingredients of a well coached team.

GH needs to look for a new coach for next year, because another year of this and people will lose interest.

I'm not a Leeds fan, but going on tonights performance and previous ones I've witnessed this season, Weller Hauraki should be immediately paid up and asked to leave your club. The guy is dire. His yardage tonight must have been in the minus bracket, given the number of times he was driven back by the Warrington defence. God knows what McLennan was thinking when he targeted him as a replacement for Eastwood - the two players are polar opposites in terms of actual rugby ability. He wouldn't break any pots in the Championship based on what I've seen of him, and thats not a ridiculous prediction. Surely there's a talented kid in the Academy who would do a better job.

There are....still some question over the omission of Clarkson too

Some? Constant questions, even if I do 'brown nose' the lad.

Clarky deserved to be there before 70% of the 17!

He was no worse than Pitts, who's had one good half against Crusaders and now has some people on here convinced he's Gareth Ellis.

Serious lack of structure in both attack and defence. Players need to know their roles and stick to them. Our last tackle options are embarrassing, how many times do our kickers get shut down and we end up getting tackled or putting a nothing kick in.

Very bizarre bench tonight. Burrow on the bench and no Mcshane is 1 strange decision, but that could be excused with rotation as an explanation.. But - playing against one of the strongest packs in the league, we run with probably our 2 most in-effective meter makers on the bench, giving us just about as little impact as we could have mustered from our available pack men. Bailey did a bit (and I think I'm being generous there) of decent work, but we seriously needed some grunt (and not the pushing/trying to intimidate Richer Myler because he's not as tough the wire pack sort of grunt). Our interchange props should have been Burgess and Cross (Im know he's not impressed many, but at least he'll bang it in and fight fire with fire)

Tbf to pitts I agree that some people are getting carried away with him because he had a good game against the crusaders, but at the same time having him in thr side for two games then out for one then back in is doing him no favours, fair enough if he was playing badly but he wasn't!

I couldn't go last week to the quins game but going from what the guys on here have said clarkson was close to being man of the match. He's come along way in 12 months and was the shining light during our injury crisis last season.

Mcshane has been improving all the time this season, he's very confident and the sort of player who will try something different something we needed last night, having burrow on the bench for an hour was a waste of a bench spot!

Cross I know he's taken some flak but he is only gonna get better by playing, against a big side like warrington with no burgess, Amor and ambler out on loan and he still can't get in the team shows he's well out of favour, at this moment in time it's hard to see him playing again this season.

Burgess im sure he's carrying a knock from the catalans game but if he's not then it's just an absolute joke that he's not getting selected probably our most improved player.

If McGuire is seen fit enough to start, why not start him and burrow in the halves, sinny at lock, mcshane on the bench, jjb and clarkson in the back row with lauititi on the bench with I'd have gone with burgess if fit and cross.

McDermott assistant coach yes, head coach no
Lowes tbh is at the right level

It's pretty clear that our top starting pack is Peacock, Buderus, Leuluai, Ablett, JJB, Sinfield. Ok, this week Ablett has to go in the centres, so Clarkson comes into our strongest pack which, with our best impact bench against a good side, reads:

Peacock
Buderus
Leuluai
JJB
Clarkson
Sinfield

McShane
Lauititi
Burgess
Cross

Not a bad set of forwards, and a bit of retort to those who say Leeds don't have the personnel at the moment. ALL of those ten players were available last night, but only five played in the pack and only six played at all.

Very strange selection from the coach.

Why didn't he start sinfield at loose, burrow and McGuire At halves, have McShane on the bench.

I just don't get it. Supposedly burrow was on the bench "because he has played a lot of minutes so far this season", absolutely ridiculous.

I also don't think ali did much last night other than let his frustration boil over and constantly try to slap the ball out of opposition hands. First half he did it on the last when he could have tackled the man with the ball, it was given as a knock on against him and we were facing another set in our own 30m.

spot on. you only have to look at the giants,wigan and wolves to see how a top class coach can make a difference. we don't even have a second class coach.
hetherington has to take a large share of the blame too. the rot started in blueys last year when there was no discipline and, as one england regular told me " we did what we wanted basically".
his appointment of mcdermott was shocking given his record, even if it was at quins. was it the cheap option? i don't know.
what i do know is he clearly is not good enough for a club like leeds.
the recruitment is shoddy at best. you second second rate players, you get a second rate team.
this squad needs a big overhaul. there are too many players who are yesterdays men or simply not good enough.the signings need to be quality.
if this dross continues people will vote with there feet and we will be back to ten years ago.

gary, sort it out

Is Clarkson injured? He's impressed me a lot from what I've seen of Leeds this year and can fill in a few positions right? As for WH, his place in the Leeds side should be in the reserves.

we all know hauraki isn't good enough mate. everyone except out esteemed coach

according to clarkson on twitter he's not injured, the first half we werent too bad we got back into the game and were working hard, in the second half it was shocking poor errors, bad discipline no mental toughness something that has been lacking all season, tbh bluey got some stick last season but in his three season we conceded 40+ points in a game once and that was against saints at knowsley road last season 41-20 this season 40 and 42 against warrington, 36 against hudders, 38 against hull kr, 28 against the bulls ( altho we won but thats no the point) 36 against quins, that is simply not good enough, a good D is more inportant to a team like leeds that the attack imo simply because we have the players to score points, sort your defense out and the attack can take care of itself.

I am really trying to be patient but Hauraki made little effort again. He watched instead of tackling more than once and that is often the sum of his contribution! Sorry Weller but time to go. Please!!!!!

Well, thats saved me some time as I agree with all of that.

A poor appointment that I didn't agree with, and not the answer going forward.

The team selection was bizarre, both in terms of personel and structure. The substitutions were bizarre, and the inability to get out of our own half in the second half quite incredible. We looked like an indisciplined pub team second half, didn't McDermott specificaly state he was going to fix this pre-season?

We have indeed forgotten everything Smith coached us.

There was a healthy attendance last night, the main driver for GH to take action must be the realisation that crowds like that will drop less year unless we can be competitive in such games.

Coach for worse I think, time to go Mac before season tickets go on sale again!!!! we could do worse than Nobbie I think?

Thats sums the guy up perfectly.

I notice the comments about Weller H- Mac likes middle of the road second rowers, Quins had a team full of them under him

The bench was mentioned. Mac would happily play a 2 man bench-he doesnt appear to appreciate the benefits of 4 on the bench

As for bizzare omissions from the team-Get used to that as that really is a trait of his. If someone speaks out of line in trg or does something he doesn't agree with then they can kiss there Ar*e good bye-he is a unintelligent manager who believes grunt wins games.

Thankfully we (Quins) a poor team got rid of him-I say that honestly- and speak on behalf of lots of Quins fans(not that there are lots!)

In Keith's superleague supermen interview, I think he said, they'd been trying to forget everything they'd been doing for the last seven years (or something to that effect). Well the contrast between the teams last night shows they've achieved that goal.

Man for man I don't think there is a 40 point difference in the teams, so can only conclude the obvious difference is the quality of the coaching. Warrington are starting to look like Leeds of old. I guess their problem now will be maintaining the form to the business end of the season.

Agreed. I don't even see any sign of improvement in his defence. At one stage he was maker
on our try line and was stood upright. If hooker had tried to burrow over he would have had no chance.

Apparantly biff and clarkson mcshane all rested?!!! You have to question the coaches thinking.
Clarkson great game last week then dropped this.
Has done similar thing to pitts this year as well!!

You mean we have a game plan?

Yes who can pannic the most

Game plan?

When you've got Peacock kicking on the last tackle very early on in the game, it was already GAME OVER.

Sorry, I thought I had wandered onto the Wire post-mortem thread on the Bulls forum just after they trashed US. The points seemed almost identical, so easy mistake to make.

As you were...

I imagine we are in danger of dropping out of your mini league on current showing. Who will be in our mid table table next year?