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| When Wigan were buying all the trophies in 80's & 90's they had such arrogant fans. It now appears that a league leaders trophy has increased the expectancy and they should be given everything again.
Well from last night they got most things but couldn't beat a below strength Leeds even with a 14 point lead
Does Pat Richards ever take a kick at goal from the correct place.
The allaged foul by Sinfield on Fielden was in right centre position but the kick was taken from middle of the field. Similarly the final penalty should have been 20 yards further back for MacGuires obstruction. Also I believe the penalty at 14-0 missed
Buderus on report for spear but not Prescott, what's that all about
Tomkins cheating and a 9-5 penalty count. what else do they need to win
After the Lindsay era it was always an ambition to beat Wigan in a major final but it can't happen this year
We accepted our CC final defeat gracefully so please do the same for now. They have a good side & could turn us over in 2 weeks but the fans !!!!!
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| Quote ="antoine"After the Lindsay era it was always an ambition to beat Wigan in a major final but it can't happen this year'"
It could but I doubt Saints would pick Wigan.
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"It could but I doubt Saints would pick Wigan.'"
Saints final game at KR.
Nostalgic opportunity to finish off there by beating Wigan in their very last appearance at KR.
Don't rule it out.
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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"Saints final game at KR.
Nostalgic opportunity to finish off there by beating Wigan in their very last appearance at KR.
Don't rule it out.'"
REDEMPTION
Would love it to happen, but it won't.
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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"Saints final game at KR.
Nostalgic opportunity to finish off there by beating Wigan in their very last appearance at KR.
Don't rule it out.'"
Common sense, and the weight of history, suggests they go for Warrington again if the two home teams win next week.
Given Saints got beaten in the last ever game at Central Park however, the chance to return the favour might be difficult to resist.
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| I'm not even sure Wigan will beat KR! all the hype all the expectation. Plenty of ar$es falling out?
I'm looking foward to a weekend in the pub watching hudds and kr rip in!
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| Quote ="antoine"When Wigan were buying all the trophies in 80's & 90's they had such arrogant fans. It now appears that a league leaders trophy has increased the expectancy and they should be given everything again.
Well from last night they got most things but couldn't beat a below strength Leeds even with a 14 point lead
Does Pat Richards ever take a kick at goal from the correct place.
The allaged foul by Sinfield on Fielden was in right centre position but the kick was taken from middle of the field. Similarly the final penalty should have been 20 yards further back for MacGuires obstruction. Also I believe the penalty at 14-0 missed
Buderus on report for spear but not Prescott, what's that all about
Tomkins cheating and a 9-5 penalty count. what else do they need to win
After the Lindsay era it was always an ambition to beat Wigan in a major final but it can't happen this year
We accepted our CC final defeat gracefully so please do the same for now. They have a good side & could turn us over in 2 weeks but the fans !!!!!'"
How ironic that this should be posted on a Leeds board. You couldn't make it up!
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"icon_biggrin.gif How ironic that this should be posted on a Leeds board. You couldn't make it up!'"
Given that Leeds successes have come in an era governed by a salary cap which they haven't breached (unlike some clubs west of the Pennines), I'd be grateful if you could explain how it is in any way "ironic".
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"icon_biggrin.gif How ironic that this should be posted on a Leeds board. You couldn't make it up!'"
Not as ironic as you calling us cheats.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Given that Leeds successes have come in an era governed by a salary cap which they haven't breached (unlike some clubs west of the Pennines), I'd be grateful if you could explain how it is in any way "ironic".'"
I think he's saying you spaffed as much cash as Wigan in their "glory years", just without the cups to show for it . . . .
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"REDEMPTION
Would love it to happen, but it won't.'"
Please please please please pick Wigan !!! I'd just love it to see Saints send them out if it isn't us.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"I think he's saying you spaffed as much cash as Wigan in their "glory years", just without the cups to show for it . . . .'"
Of that we did..
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"I think he's saying you spaffed as much cash as Wigan in their "glory years", just without the cups to show for it . . . .'"
Clearly not as much, otherwise there would be a large Headingley branch of Tesco and we'd be playing out at some soulless dump on the edge of town with terrible road links...
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Clearly not as much, otherwise there would be a large Headingley branch of Tesco and we'd be playing out at some soulless dump on the edge of town with terrible road links...'"
I think you'll well remember your own little issues with the bank manager. Thankfully you found a bail out that meant you kept your ground (similar to us in that respect!)
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"icon_biggrin.gif How ironic that this should be posted on a Leeds board. You couldn't make it up!'"
If you're referring to Leeds' spending in the 80s and 90s, you are well wide of the mark.
We didn't buy any trophies. Well, the odd Yorkshire Cup, but that was all.
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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"Saints final game at KR.
Nostalgic opportunity to finish off there by beating Wigan in their very last appearance at KR.
Don't rule it out.'"
Quote ="BBC Sport"That sealed Saints' latest win over Warrington, who have now astonishingly now won just one of the two sides' last 41 meetings. '"
I don't think Saints would agonise too long over that decision to be honest.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"I don't think Saints would agonise too long over that decision to be honest.'"
The past in no way influences the future. Saints will make the decision based on which they percieve to be the lesser threat. With a minimum of 80 mins of hard knockout rugby to come, it would be foolish to make a decision yet. Warrington's squad IMO is the stronger, and do have a good run of form and big game experience behind them. Wigan's form has been patchy over the last couple of months, and have fewer game breakers IMO.
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"The past in no way influences the future. Saints will make the decision based on which they percieve to be the lesser threat. With a minimum of 80 mins of hard knockout rugby to come, it would be foolish to make a decision yet. Warrington's squad IMO is the stronger, and do have a good run of form and big game experience behind them. Wigan's form has been patchy over the last couple of months, and have fewer game breakers IMO.'"
Regardless of the hoodoo - I'd be more confident of beating Wigan in 2 weeks time than Wire.
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"The past in no way influences the future. Saints will make the decision based on which they percieve to be the lesser threat. With a minimum of 80 mins of hard knockout rugby to come, it would be foolish to make a decision yet. Warrington's squad IMO is the stronger, and do have a good run of form and big game experience behind them. Wigan's form has been patchy over the last couple of months, and have fewer game breakers IMO.'"
Must admit i wouldn't fancy meeting warrington at any stage now after the cc final.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"I don't think Saints would agonise too long over that decision to be honest.'"
Given Saints 41-2-1 SL record against Warrington during the SL era, that ought to be the rational decision.
I'm just not ruling out an emotional decision given that Wigan beat Saints at KR on their last outing and they may want to put that right in their very last appearance at KR.
They may also want to avoid Leeds in another GF and hope to face Warrington instead.
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| I wouldn't rule out HKR or Hudds winning.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"I wouldn't rule out HKR or Hudds winning.'"
neither have the attack to score enough points in playoff rugby against a top team.
although hull kr have a very nifty kicking game and a good set of forwards, so it should be a very tough tense game for wigan.
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| i think the ref tried hard for wigan last night, but justice was done when richards missed the kicks! on the night the best team won and i am proud of the lads! i think wigan fans just expect to win things
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dai_Young
www.sporting-heroes.net/rugby-he ... eroID=6227
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Innes
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bentley_(rugby)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Scho ... ite_note-0
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Clyde
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Mullins
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Eyres
www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugb ... 75721.html
Then you went onto BUY Wigan rejects such as Goulding, Hanley, Wane, Gregory, Iro etc
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britishrugbyleague.blogspot.com/ ... -club.html
The Barren Years 1981-1990
During a six-year spell as Leeds Coach, Syd Hynes won a major trophy every season and his success' would be a hard act to follow and his departure in 1981 signalled an unstable period. Robin Dewhurst, Maurice Bamford, Malcolm Clift, Peter Fox, Bamford again, Malcolm Reilly and David Ward all trying - and failing - to satisfy the hunger for success.
During this period Leeds only managed to win two trophies, the John Player Trophy in 1983 and the Yorkshire Cup in 1988. The club never gave up and they continued to invest in the best players hoping that something would click and Leeds would rule the game once more.
Players included Lee Crooks and Garry Schofield from Hull, both were proven internationals and cost Leeds world record transfer fees.
Overseas players were still influential in Leeds' make-up. Staggeringly, during the 1984-85 season, Leeds had nine imported players on their books but still finished the season empty-handed. The 1980s must be seen as one of the most barren and frustrating periods in the club's history.
Under the leadership of another former Headingley legend, David Ward, Leeds approached the 1990s in optimistic mood, hoping to rekindle the golden years, but unfortunately this wasn't to be.
They came close to winning the championship in 1989-90 when they finished second to the most successful Rugby League side in the modern era . . . Wigan.
A new beginning 1991 - 2000
Leeds were again signing the big name stars and in June 1990 they captured All Black John Gallagher, rated as the finest Rugby Union full-back in world, but he didn't live up to his expectations and drifted out of the game after several seasons.
At the end of the 1990-91 season David Ward was replaced by Doug Laughton who was rated as one of the best coaches of the modern era, having just guided Widnes to back-to-back League and Premiership titles, so Leeds felt they had the man to re-ignite the flame of success.
He began recruiting the best players, which included the signing of Great Britain captain, Ellery Hanley, completely rebuilding the side and relinquishing the services of the old guard under David Ward.
He also set about creating the finest youth policy in the country which the club had passed by since the 1960s and 70s. One thing Laughton never achieved at Leeds was a major trophy, despite reaching four major finals in his four-year spell at Headingley, which included two successive Challenge Cup finals against Wigan in 1994 and 1995. Laughton shocked the Rugby League world - and Leeds - by resigning at the end of the 1994-95 season.
In the pursuit of Wigan, Leeds had over-stretched their resources and when Dean Bell was brought in to replace Laughton, the club was at it's lowest point since the founding of the club. This change in management also signalled the start of a new era for rugby league, not just for Leeds, but for the whole game in this country. The decision was taken to evolve from a hundreds years of winter rugby and to make rugby league a summer sport. The new competition would have full time professionals at every top-flight club and would marketed itself as the game for all the family at the turn of the millennium.
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Did Wigan pursue and buy some of the best players?YES
Were they on their own?Not on your nelly kids
Its nice to know that the myth (pain and hurt) still resides in opposition fans, something that blinds them of the FACT they their own club was doing EXACTLY the same but without anything like the success of Wigan.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dai_Young
www.sporting-heroes.net/rugby-he ... eroID=6227
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Innes
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bentley_(rugby)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Scho ... ite_note-0
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Clyde
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Mullins
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Eyres
www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugb ... 75721.html
Then you went onto BUY Wigan rejects such as Goulding, Hanley, Wane, Gregory, Iro etc
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britishrugbyleague.blogspot.com/ ... -club.html
The Barren Years 1981-1990
During a six-year spell as Leeds Coach, Syd Hynes won a major trophy every season and his success' would be a hard act to follow and his departure in 1981 signalled an unstable period. Robin Dewhurst, Maurice Bamford, Malcolm Clift, Peter Fox, Bamford again, Malcolm Reilly and David Ward all trying - and failing - to satisfy the hunger for success.
During this period Leeds only managed to win two trophies, the John Player Trophy in 1983 and the Yorkshire Cup in 1988. The club never gave up and they continued to invest in the best players hoping that something would click and Leeds would rule the game once more.
Players included Lee Crooks and Garry Schofield from Hull, both were proven internationals and cost Leeds world record transfer fees.
Overseas players were still influential in Leeds' make-up. Staggeringly, during the 1984-85 season, Leeds had nine imported players on their books but still finished the season empty-handed. The 1980s must be seen as one of the most barren and frustrating periods in the club's history.
Under the leadership of another former Headingley legend, David Ward, Leeds approached the 1990s in optimistic mood, hoping to rekindle the golden years, but unfortunately this wasn't to be.
They came close to winning the championship in 1989-90 when they finished second to the most successful Rugby League side in the modern era . . . Wigan.
A new beginning 1991 - 2000
Leeds were again signing the big name stars and in June 1990 they captured All Black John Gallagher, rated as the finest Rugby Union full-back in world, but he didn't live up to his expectations and drifted out of the game after several seasons.
At the end of the 1990-91 season David Ward was replaced by Doug Laughton who was rated as one of the best coaches of the modern era, having just guided Widnes to back-to-back League and Premiership titles, so Leeds felt they had the man to re-ignite the flame of success.
He began recruiting the best players, which included the signing of Great Britain captain, Ellery Hanley, completely rebuilding the side and relinquishing the services of the old guard under David Ward.
He also set about creating the finest youth policy in the country which the club had passed by since the 1960s and 70s. One thing Laughton never achieved at Leeds was a major trophy, despite reaching four major finals in his four-year spell at Headingley, which included two successive Challenge Cup finals against Wigan in 1994 and 1995. Laughton shocked the Rugby League world - and Leeds - by resigning at the end of the 1994-95 season.
In the pursuit of Wigan, Leeds had over-stretched their resources and when Dean Bell was brought in to replace Laughton, the club was at it's lowest point since the founding of the club. This change in management also signalled the start of a new era for rugby league, not just for Leeds, but for the whole game in this country. The decision was taken to evolve from a hundreds years of winter rugby and to make rugby league a summer sport. The new competition would have full time professionals at every top-flight club and would marketed itself as the game for all the family at the turn of the millennium.
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Did Wigan pursue and buy some of the best players?YES
Were they on their own?Not on your nelly kids
Its nice to know that the myth (pain and hurt) still resides in opposition fans, something that blinds them of the FACT they their own club was doing EXACTLY the same but without anything like the success of Wigan.
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| All that effort and no one can be ar$ed to read it!
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