Called this for about a year or so now. I know Burrow showed glimpses but in general we looked much more organised and sharper passing wise when McGuire was at the 7 spot.

I know everyone loves Rob so I expect a bit of ribbing but every time we have had mcguire at 7 in the last 18 months he has stood out more than Burrow has.

i think its more the case of sinfield playing 6 but i must admit that mags has been our best player this year

maggs is a better 7

bit of a knee jerk.

This was one game.

we've won 3 titles on the trot with burrow at 7 and he won MOM in one playing there.

Im not the knee jerking type. It's just an honest observation of McGuire playing SH over the last 18 months or so. Don't get me wrong, Burrow still has some class about him and has been awesome over the last 8 years but I think we look a better team with McGuire at 7.

As I said this is not based just on this season. I have said this even when we have been the form team.

I do see yer point H and i know exactly what you mean but......
I personally prefer having all 3 on in the starting 13.
What having Mcguire at 7 and Sinfield at 6 does do imo is force them to stick to a more rigid gameplan whereas with all 3 we can/do drift from it alot more but like i said all 3 is my preference.

Sometimes the drift in having all 3 on the pitch at the same time leaves us with no game plan at all or looking lost on the park. All 3 can work if they stick to a single gameplan.

Fair point.
Although it equally makes it a nightmare for defences to read and shut down so a "double edged sword" and like the post above suggests we've come good on GF night with all 3 in the 13.

If ya can be ar$ed and I don't expect you to be, I have posted many times over the years maggs is a better 7. I'm not say rob is crap, I'm a burrow fan and when he's in top form he's magic. maggs is simply a better player.

But how many times has mcguire played 7, and who against?

It can't be that often by my reckoning because burrow hasn't had any especially long injury layoffs and when it's come to the big games we've operated with burrow at 7 and had success.

You say that like it's a failing, like i [ishould[/i be ar$ed. to trawl through a posters postings dating back years just to find something he posted.

I'm not exactly a hollywood
A lister.....but i do have [iabit[/i of a life.

I don't read through every thread and every post on this board, and people putting mcguire forward as a better 7 is not something i've seen posted often, then he plays 7 and suddenly every man and his dog said all along he was a better 7, it just struck me as a knee jerk reaction.

I do generally like all 3 on the park, but against a big pack it allow us a extra forward on the field.

I just think we are better organised with McGuire at 7. I have posted many times on different forums that he has all the atributes to make a top class 7. I actually think he'd walk into the England set up at SH. His kicking out of hand is now 1 of the best in the league ( yes he has his odd bad kick but the majority now find the ground and turn the defence), his passing and the way he reads the defence has improved so much over the last 2 years and he still has all the speed in the world.

As someone said though, we look disjointed and too "off the cuff" with all 3. With tge way the oppo Ds are this year we need the organisational skills of McGuire and Sinfield more than the broken play skills of Burrow.

Again i refer you to my initial reply i see yer point mate but i personally prefer all 3 but a very good point on the opposition D.

His short kicking game pretty much won us last seasons grand final!

Still the clueless idiots (most opposition fans) will probably claim tomkins is loads better.

I thought we looked better tonight before Burrow came on but would expect to see him back at 7 for the Hull game. I think BM maybe wanted an extra forward on against a team renowned for a strong pack.
In the past if Sinny plays at 6 i always think we look a better team with McGuire at 7 as opposed to Burrow. That said we haven't done too badly in the last few seasons with all 3 on the field together.

02/05/2003 ….. Won 13 - 12 ….. Leeds Rhinos V Wakefield Trinity Wildcats
06/05/2003 ….. Drew 24 - 24 ….. Leeds Rhinos V Wigan Warriors
07/06/2003 ….. Won 39 - 26 ….. Leeds Rhinos V Castleford Tigers
13/06/2003 ….. Won 20 - 14 ….. Leeds Rhinos V St Helens
20/06/2003 ….. Won 12 - 48 ….. Wakefield Trinity Wildcats V Leeds Rhinos
28/06/2003 ….. Lost 29 - 14 ….. Widnes Vikings V Leeds Rhinos
23/07/2004 ….. Won 70 - 0 ….. Leeds Rhinos V St Helens
22/08/2004 ….. Won 40 - 12 ….. Leeds Rhinos V Bradford Bulls
08/10/2004 ….. Won 40 - 12 ….. Leeds Rhinos V Wigan Warriors
16/10/2004 ….. Won 8 - 16 ….. Bradford Bulls V Leeds Rhinos
04/02/2005 ….. Won 39 - 32 ….. Leeds Rhinos V Canterbury Bulldogs
11/02/2005 ….. Won 12 - 16 ….. Hull FC V Leeds Rhinos
18/02/2005 ….. Won 30 - 18 ….. Leeds Rhinos V St Helens
20/05/2005 ….. Won 42 - 24 ….. Leeds Rhinos V Leigh Centurions
10/08/2007 ….. Won 52 - 14 ….. Leeds Rhinos V Salford City Reds
17/08/2007 ….. Won 34 - 18 ….. Leeds Rhinos V Hull KR
06/02/2009 ….. Won 28 - 6 ….. Leeds Rhinos V Celtic Crusaders
13/02/2009 ….. Won 18 - 4 ….. Leeds Rhinos V Wakefield Trinity Wildcats
20/02/2009 ….. Won 10 - 19 ….. Hull KR V Leeds Rhinos
26/05/2009 ….. Won 46 - 16 ….. Leeds Rhinos V Hull FC
06/06/2009 ….. Lost 32 - 30 ….. Les Catalans Dragons V Leeds Rhinos
05/04/2010 ….. Won 24 - 34 ….. Les Catalans Dragons V Leeds Rhinos

Pretty good record then playing at 7

Even though we have been fairly successfull in general that is an impressive record, only 2 defeats and a draw.Did he partner Sinfield in all those games? If ever you get the time it would be interesting to compare that with a Burrow / Sinfield partnership

Not bad, including a GF win (Leeds' first in 32 years) and the first WCC victory in the club's history.

When McGuire plays 7 he has a a luxury not afforded to Burrow, a quality stand off



In all seriousness, was it lost on you that McGuire played his usual role as soon as Burrow came on? Burrow came on at 7.

I think starting with McGuire and Sinfield was good, on Thursday everything seemed a bit frantic whereas from 10-40mins today we were alot more controlled in our play.

Kevin Sinfield starting at stand off for Leeds:

Played 82, Won 54, Drawn 1, Lost 27, 66%

Here is the breakdown with each starting scrum half that has partnered with him:

Rob Burrow - Played 40, Won 26, Drawn 0, Lost 14, 65%

Ryan Sheridan - Played 16, Won 10, Drawn 0, Lost 6, 62.5%

Danny McGuire - Played 15, Won 14, Drawn 0, Lost 1, 93%

Andrew Dunemann - Played 5, Won 2, Drawn 1, Lost 2, 50%

Iestyn Harris - Played 4, Won 2, Drawn 0, Lost 2, 50%

Karl Pratt - Played 2, Won 0, Drawn 0, Lost 2, 0%

At which point Catalans outscored us comfortably

Thanks for that.
As someone posted McGuire has missed more games due to injury than Burrow over recent seasons which may explain why Burrow/Sinfield have been used more than McGuire/Sinfield.
The McGuire/Sinny stats are very impressive though and lend some weight to the arguement that McGuire is worth a go at 7.