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| briscoe was awful but he doesn't play for leeds,which is, of course,the point you are making.
on the same track one good kick apart what did tompkins do? great talent but had mcguire played like that there would have been 15 pages by now
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| Thought Briscoe had a solid game. I also thought he played okay last week as well.
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| Briscoe did OK, but not outstanding. Would be hard to fault him after the win.
Watched the recording this morning, and only noticed on 76 mins that Wilkin played? Didn't he come on until then?
Crabtree has impressed me, and he needs to consider his future at club level. He will have to move if he wants to win domestic medals, and there is only one club to consider
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| Quote ="Sherbert Dip"Briscoe did OK, but not outstanding. Would be hard to fault him after the win.
Watched the recording this morning, and only noticed on 76 mins that Wilkin played? Didn't he come on until then?
Crabtree has impressed me, and he needs to consider his future at club level. He will have to move if he wants to win domestic medals, and there is only one club to consider
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Crabtree aint going anywhere. He signed a 96yr contract to stay at Huddersfield mid season.
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| Wasn't overly impressed with Briscoe last night. Looked worried about picking uP a moving ball and when we played the ball deep and wide we had the kiwis scrambling until he received it and play broke down.
Also I don't think Tompkins had a bad game. Much better than McGuire the week before. We should keep this pairing now and concentrate on the future. We are never going to improve if we swap ever game.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"briscoe was awful'"
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| Quote ="Sherbert Dip"Watched the recording this morning, and only noticed on 76 mins that Wilkin played? Didn't he come on until then?'"
I think he was on for about the last 15 minutes.
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| Briscoe was reluctant to catch the ball all game but doubt he's going to get dropped, Smith should be in there.
I think Tomkins has played OK, always a threat and defence was ok.
The main performers for me are Sinfield, Burgess, Graham, Ellis and Crabtree.
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| Thought Briscoe looked a bit nervy at times. Nothing outstanding but shrewed enough to make sure he got the penalty to take the game away from NZ at the end.
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| Briscoe has been average throughout the tournament, hasn't let anyone down but offers nothing whatsoever in attack. Lee Smith should be the full back but TS will stick with Briscoe.
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| Lee Smith is moving on, and should never have been picked in the squad in the first place. Briscoe played his part in that win, and deserves to keep his place. He's never going to be a great player, and the sooner England somehow develop a good attacking fullback the better, but until then, he's done at least as well as Welens and Radlinski - sorry 'the Ginger God' - for England.
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| more concerned about Bridge the aussis will have him for breakfast
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| Quote ="roo"more concerned about Bridge the aussis will have him for breakfast'"
I think they're still full from the Mcguire and Smith all you can eat buffet a fortnight ago.
I'd be tempted to play Smith as we all know how good he can be, but I'm not sure he's done enough in the tournament to warrant it, and he's always worth a penalty or two.
Birsco is certainly not the answer though, and we won't be seeing him at FB for England after this tournament I'm sure.
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| Quote ="roo"more concerned about Bridge the aussis will have him for breakfast'"
Agree, major problem! But im not sure what TS can do?
We tried McGuire, Smith and Tom Briscoe - They got torn apart. I guess as bad as it looks - Bridge and Fox will have to have there turn at stopping the most an absolutely unstoppable threequarter partnership supplied by one of the best ever half back partnerships in Lockyer and Thurston.
The only thing i can think of is Eastmood defending out wide right to sweeper Inglis as he is the only one who could match him for speed.
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| Quote ="RhinoNeil"Agree, major problem! But im not sure what TS can do?
We tried McGuire, Smith and Tom Briscoe - They got torn apart. I guess as bad as it looks - Bridge and Fox will have to have there turn at stopping the most an absolutely unstoppable threequarter partnership supplied by one of the best ever half back partnerships in Lockyer and Thurston.
The only thing i can think of is Eastmood defending out wide right to sweeper Inglis as he is the only one who could match him for speed.'"
I think the Bridge scenario highlights the major problem in the SL set up, i.e. a dearth of quality centres.
Compare this with the Aussies who have 3 try Jennings, amongst others, who may not even get a game.
He'd walk into any other side in the world.
Where is the next Keith Senior to come from? Someone with the physique, power & pace to trouble the Aussies.
This is an overall SL problem not just an issue for the Rhinos.
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| What about this young lad "the next Billy Slater"? Is it Widdop? Maybe a future fullback or just hyped up by the press?
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| Quote ="Old Feller"I think the Bridge scenario highlights the major problem in the SL set up, i.e. a dearth of quality centres.
Compare this with the Aussies who have 3 try Jennings, amongst others, who may not even get a game.
He'd walk into any other side in the world.
Where is the next Keith Senior to come from? Someone with the physique, power & pace to trouble the Aussies.
This is an overall SL problem not just an issue for the Rhinos.'"
there are people like Atkins who have pace and power, but it isn't combined with guile, passing ability or strong defence.
We seem to breed two varieties of centre. A running centre, or a passing centre. Its very rare you get both in one over here.
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"We seem to breed two varieties of centre. A running centre, or a passing centre. Its very rare you get both in one over here.'"
A problem with the junior setups at amateur clubs where the big lads tend to get put in the middle of the pitch so they get their hands on the ball more often?
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"A problem with the junior setups at amateur clubs where the big lads tend to get put in the middle of the pitch so they get their hands on the ball more often?'"
True, but you'd think that at the top level, a player could significantly improve some of the more basic skills to a better level
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"True, but you'd think that at the top level, a player could significantly improve some of the more basic skills to a better level'"
Too late by that point.
By the time a player hits the first team at a SL/Championship club the majority of the available training time is taken up by game planning and structure. Professional coaches shouldn't have to be teaching their players the basics of the game.
Sadly too many junior sides are coached by people with a stack of enthusiasm but no real idea of how to teach kids properly. Lazy techniques get covered up by athletic ability through their development and they arrive on scholarships at pro clubs with gaping holes in their games.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Too late by that point.
By the time a player hits the first team at a SL/Championship club the majority of the available training time is taken up by game planning and structure. Professional coaches shouldn't have to be teaching their players the basics of the game.
Sadly too many junior sides are coached by people with a stack of enthusiasm but no real idea of how to teach kids properly. Lazy techniques get covered up by athletic ability through their development and they arrive on scholarships at pro clubs with gaping holes in their games.'"
Its true. I see plenty of players at my level who are one trick ponies, and that is good enough to be effective. Very little time is spent on improving basic skills.
I've played with and against some great runners who couldn't pass or tackle for $hit
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| Briscoe maybe 'solid' majority of the times. But he offers nothing in attack, in what is regarded as a strike position in the modern game.
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