It possibly shows that not making the playoffs might not be all that bad an idea, were simply not going to compete with the amount of pivotal players we have out unfortunately

I'll reserve judgement til I see what's offered up second half but there's a couple of performances tonight bad enough to put you off a player for their entire career

Swings and roundabouts really - iI still think we’ll qualify but not get far.

Said it before but this team desperately needs to get into camp and have a really solid pre-season. The young lads need to put some hard graft into conditioning and the whole team needs to find some shape and rhythm. Given that we’ll be right up there next year.

Yeah agenda is I’ve seen enough of Cameron smith to know he’s utter e and would struggle to get a game a Fev

Why do we persist with going down the short side on exit sets.

But you mentioned Daniel smith and anybody called Smith in your initial post?

No issue if you don’t rate Smith, we are all allowed our views on players but saying he is rubbish, his brother is rubbish and anybody called Smith is rubbish seems a bit ridiculous to me.

I don't know why we don't just try a high kick or a chip over on the last. Saints are starting their sets on half way anyway

on or off the pitch

Don’t reflect on the performance in relation to those missing but rather those on the pitch, regardless of any result it’s way below par.

You know when everyone calls to play the kids, well this is what can happen especially with others out

We can’t perform the basics missed tackles poor tackling technique and poor/non existent kicking strategy.
We badly need a new Aussie coach with new ideas and strong discipline just like Tony smith in the early days not been able to defend correctly is unforgivable in a full time sport.

Because we have no leader on the pitch

Saints is never an easy place to go. Leeds got smashed there in 2004, and in 2007 I think.

Some established players not pulling their weight, some young players look a bit raw.

Draw a line under it and move on

But it’s not about that Chris is the errors and poor play from very senior players, and there’s plenty in this side. Compare Johnson’s first set to Dwyer’s first of the match.

Having said that Johnson looks lively

A hooker with quick accurate distribution and suddenly we have men going forward

Dwyer simply isn’t a starting hooker

Johnstone looks very good like a young Matt diskin he controls the plays.

simply isn't a hooker

Tell you what Tom Holroyd has been immense.

Johnson needs to start when leemings in the halves from here on in.

Prior not returned could be a concern or just protecting him with the game gone.

Walmsley is a 1 man pack