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| Quote ="sgtwilko"willie tonga is out of contract! Great left centre would be a massive signing. Unrealidtic but what is needed to fill keiths spot.'"
Never been abig fan if I am honest.
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| Judging from the rumours
we look set to be losing Ali, Webb, Buderus and maybe Senior and Burgess so far
I think we need a Prop, second row and maybe an experienced hooker and/or a centre
i think we could look something like this
1 Jones Bishop, 2 Smith, 3 Delaney, 4 Watkins (new experienced centre?), 5 Hall, 6 McGuire, 7 Burrow, 8 Leuluai, 9 McShane, 10 JP, 11 Jones Buchaanan, 12 Ablett, 13 Sinfield, 14 experienced hooker, 15 Cross, 16 Bailey, 17 Kirke, 18 new second rower, 19 new young prop, 20 Hauraki
I think we should try and sign (3-4 of these)
Props
Ben Gledhill (young wakefield prop)
Brent Kite (experienced, seasoned prop forward if Bailey leaves)
Paul Johnson (young Wakey prop, good replacement for Burgess, but we do have two props on loan, who look good, so may not be necessary.)
Ryan Boyle (in the same boat as Johnson and Gledhill)
Nathan Massey (young player at Cas)
Hookers
Mick Higham (experienced backup for Macca, bit like Millard but better)
Andy Ellis (looked really good when they played us at Headingley)
Chad Randall (experienced hooker, and a good player)
Shaun Lunt (would more than likely want no 9, but good player to play alongside Macca if not)
Ben Fisher (experienced hooker)
Centres
Tony Clubb (if there is a need for a new centre)
Matt Cooper (2 year deal, will allow Watkins to develop fully, and gain more experience)
Second Row
Sika Manu (Melbourne second row/prop, not young but not past it, would be a good solid signing)
Mike Burnett (looks impressive at Quins)
Oliver Wilkes (young, good all round player)
Frankie Mariano (if Wakey get kicked out of SL, young second rower, scored some good tries this season, looks dangerous when on the ball)
As far as ooc players go, i would give these contracts
Ian Kirke (1 Year) - i know some may not agree with me, but i think that he does the job when on the field and drives the team forward, made the transition to prop well.
JP (2 years)
Luke Burgess (3 years)
Callum Casey (3 years)
Kylie (2 years)
I would promote Ward, Wilson and Normington into first team ,all looks promising) and maybe Danny Smith
let go: Webb (going anyway), Ali (quality, but injury prone), Buderus (looks set to join Newcastle for swansong), Keith Senior (retired, allows younger players in), Bailey (maybe?? he might want to leave, im neither here or there with him)
I seem to remember last year GH went to Aus, and said he was looking at players for both 2011 and 2012, so i think that he has a player signed or set to be signed from Aus.
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As far as ooc players go, i would give these contracts
Ryan Bailey (1 Year)
Ian Kirke (2 Years) - i know some may not agree with me, but i think that he does the job when on the field and drives the team forward, made the transition to prop well.
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| Quote ="Lawrie L"d040.gif'"
maybe not Bailey, didn't think about that one. But what's up with Kirke, he doesn't make mistakes, he drives the team forward, he is not a flashy player, and will never be a Ellis or a Peacock but i think he is a good squad player.
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| If Buderus leaves we have Mcshane to take the 9 shirt and young Hood as back up.
Webb will be replaced internally.
If Senior retires Watkins should get 1st go at the 4 shirt and then a call will hac eto be made on the RC position but personally i think Smithy is more than capable with hopefully Wilson ready to cover and Hardaker takes the 2 shirt.(This leaves Delaney to the SR but also able to cover in case of injury)
Bailey should be retained on at least a 2yr deal and i'd offer Burgess another 2/3 deal but i think he's going.
JP is staying at least 1 more year so it'll be time to make a call on Ambler and Amor.
I think Ali will leave also and that's where we need to sign a replacement we have plenty of hard working SR's but none that can open up defences with the guile that a fully fit on form Ali can.
I also would look at bringing in a HB for cover so we don't have to keep pushing Sinfield to 6 or someone than compete with Burrow for the 7 shirt.
If Kylie an keep his form i'd give him 1 more yr unless a younger like for like can be signed now.
As for Kirke i would let him go and give his squad spot to either Ambler ,Amor or Singleton.
There's plenty of calls to be made re-retention and recruitment lets hope Brian Mc and GH have it sorted.
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| Quote ="benduke15"maybe not Bailey, didn't think about that one. But what's up with Kirke, he doesn't make mistakes, he drives the team forward, he is not a flashy player, and will never be a Ellis or a Peacock but i think he is a good squad player.'"
You was doing quite well up until "drives the team forward"
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| Quote ="Lawrie L"You was doing quite well up until "drives the team forward"'"
well, hes a decent squad player
Quote ="rhinoms"If Buderus leaves we have Mcshane to take the 9 shirt and young Hood as back up.
Webb will be replaced internally.
If Senior retires Watkins should get 1st go at the 4 shirt and then a call will hac eto be made on the RC position but personally i think Smithy is more than capable with hopefully Wilson ready to cover and Hardaker takes the 2 shirt.(This leaves Delaney to the SR but also able to cover in case of injury)
Bailey should be retained on at least a 2yr deal and i'd offer Burgess another 2/3 deal but i think he's going.
JP is staying at least 1 more year so it'll be time to make a call on Ambler and Amor.
I think Ali will leave also and that's where we need to sign a replacement we have plenty of hard working SR's but none that can open up defences with the guile that a fully fit on form Ali can.
I also would look at bringing in a HB for cover so we don't have to keep pushing Sinfield to 6 or someone than compete with Burrow for the 7 shirt.
If Kylie an keep his form i'd give him 1 more yr unless a younger like for like can be signed now.
As for Kirke i would let him go and give his squad spot to either Ambler ,Amor or Singleton.
There's plenty of calls to be made re-retention and recruitment lets hope Brian Mc and GH have it sorted.'"
I thin kwe should retain Kylie for a year or two, i think ambler has teh shape to become a player a bit like Kylie, with Amor a bit like JP, McShane has to replace Buderus, he really is developing into a world class hooker
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| Quote ="benduke15"well, hes a decent squad player
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I think "Drives the team forward" must mean he takes over from the Coach driver when he gets tired from away trips with regards to Kirke
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| Quote ="rhinoms"If Buderus leaves we have Mcshane to take the 9 shirt and young Hood as back up.
Webb will be replaced internally.
If Senior retires Watkins should get 1st go at the 4 shirt and then a call will hac eto be made on the RC position but personally i think Smithy is more than capable with hopefully Wilson ready to cover and Hardaker takes the 2 shirt.(This leaves Delaney to the SR but also able to cover in case of injury)
Bailey should be retained on at least a 2yr deal and i'd offer Burgess another 2/3 deal but i think he's going.
JP is staying at least 1 more year so it'll be time to make a call on Ambler and Amor.
I think Ali will leave also and that's where we need to sign a replacement we have plenty of hard working SR's but none that can open up defences with the guile that a fully fit on form Ali can.
I also would look at bringing in a HB for cover so we don't have to keep pushing Sinfield to 6 or someone than compete with Burrow for the 7 shirt.
If Kylie an keep his form i'd give him 1 more yr unless a younger like for like can be signed now.
As for Kirke i would let him go and give his squad spot to either Ambler ,Amor or Singleton.
There's plenty of calls to be made re-retention and recruitment lets hope Brian Mc and GH have it sorted.'"
I'd pretty much agree with your synopsis....esp regards a replacement for Ali and better cover for halfback. Those two areas should be the priority.
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| Pretty much agree with rhinoms assessment, and hope if buderus goes then mcshane and hood take over.
Hauraki I think was signed to replace Ali long term, but at this stage looks like a failed signing. Like when you lose your rolex going down to the Market to buy a fake replacement
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| Laffranchi may be underwhelming, but he and Perry compared to Cross and Hauraki? I know which duo I'd rather have.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"Laffranchi may be underwhelming, but he and Perry compared to Cross and Hauraki? I know which duo I'd rather have.'"
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| Quote ="rhinoms"If Buderus leaves we have Mcshane to take the 9 shirt and young Hood as back up.
Webb will be replaced internally.
If Senior retires Watkins should get 1st go at the 4 shirt and then a call will hac eto be made on the RC position but personally i think Smithy is more than capable with hopefully Wilson ready to cover and Hardaker takes the 2 shirt.(This leaves Delaney to the SR but also able to cover in case of injury)
Bailey should be retained on at least a 2yr deal and i'd offer Burgess another 2/3 deal but i think he's going.
JP is staying at least 1 more year so it'll be time to make a call on Ambler and Amor.
I think Ali will leave also and that's where we need to sign a replacement we have plenty of hard working SR's but none that can open up defences with the guile that a fully fit on form Ali can.
I also would look at bringing in a HB for cover so we don't have to keep pushing Sinfield to 6 or someone than compete with Burrow for the 7 shirt.
If Kylie an keep his form i'd give him 1 more yr unless a younger like for like can be signed now.
As for Kirke i would let him go and give his squad spot to either Ambler ,Amor or Singleton.
There's plenty of calls to be made re-retention and recruitment lets hope Brian Mc and GH have it sorted.'"
Oh...and Tom Briscoe recruited at RC wouldn't be a bad option either.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"Laffranchi may be underwhelming, but he and Perry compared to Cross and Hauraki? I know which duo I'd rather have.'"
No argument on that!
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| All clubs ought to be keeping an eye on the TV deal the NRL gets next time round. Whilst some of the figures thrown around may be make-believe, it's likely to see a big increase on the current deal, which will see a significant rise in the total salary cap. This in turn (combined with likely continued higher exchange rates) will make even journeymen Aussies expensive, as the side effects are likely to include a minimum wage in the NRL ($100k has been mentioned) and increased squad sizes to cope with injuries.
Smaller experienced squads has probably been one of the less obvious side-effects of the large number of Aussies/Kiwis in SL, and has led to a reduction in the pool of second tier players with experience to fill in when injries hit. At the Broncos for example, they simply can't afford to have too many average players waiting in the wings in case of injuries - they tend to go straight to the next junior in line.
If that means a reduction in Aussies across the board that's great - but it does put SL clubs at an advantage who have already signed their overseas players for a few years. Looking at Leeds' list, I'd say GH has his work cut out to get close to replacing like with like (in quality if not position) as our current overseas players leave.
FWIW I would say we should definitely earmark left centre for Watkins and fullback for whoever wins out of BJB and Smith. A bit of a gamble, but I can't see the point in signing an ageing Aussie who would expect a first team spot and blocking either of those positions.
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| We need to get back to the view that recognises you only go shopping in Aus when you can't find suitable replacements in either your youth set up or within your own league. Too many clubs (Leeds included) have previously signed overseas players because they were the quick fix rather than the right answer longer term.
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"We need to get back to the view that recognises you only go shopping in Aus when you can't find suitable replacements in either your youth set up or within your own league. Too many clubs (Leeds included) have previously signed overseas players because they were the quick fix rather than the right answer longer term.'"
I think you are correct. Even with the licence system it's difficult for teams around the top to just change lock stock and put faith in the youth system as there fans still demand competeing.
Bradford are a good example. They haven't made the playoff for last 2 years and look to be struggling this year. They should have been putting faith in their youngsters and building team back up but appear to have bought In 3 new teams to try and instantly get back near the top.
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| Lunt signed up with hudds till 2015 now on sky text
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"If that means a reduction in Aussies across the board that's great - but it does put SL clubs at an advantage who have already signed their overseas players for a few years. Looking at Leeds' list, I'd say GH has his work cut out to get close to replacing like with like (in quality if not position) as our current overseas players leave.'"
Leeds will have to replace at least two(?) of their current overseas players from within the UK anyway, as the likes of Webb and Lauitiiti have dispensations from being non-Fed trained given they were here when the rules came in.
They will have to be replaced by Federation trained players.
On the rest - I'm not convinced that even with a rise in the NRL salary cap there won't still be players available of the required quality to replace the likes of Delaney, Cross, Leuluai and Hauraki.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Leeds will have to replace at least two(?) of their current overseas players from within the UK anyway, as the likes of Webb and Lauitiiti have dispensations from being non-Fed trained given they were here when the rules came in.
They will have to be replaced by Federation trained players.
On the rest - I'm not convinced that even with a rise in the NRL salary cap there won't still be players available of the required quality to replace the likes of Delaney, Cross, Leuluai and Hauraki.'"
We have players in the squad now, British players who are of standard to replace the names mentioned
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| There will be "like for like" available Andy, as even though the SC is likely to rise in Aus, the number of players in the competition won't (without the new teams that is), hence there will always be a player drain to GB, just that they won't be great players...
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"There will be "like for like" available Andy, as even though the SC is likely to rise in Aus, the number of players in the competition won't (without the new teams that is), hence there will always be a player drain to GB, just that they won't be great players...'"
That isn't the case bats. When the new increase was announced, it was also stated that clubs would keep 30 man squads now instead of 25 man squads. Now with the increase that extra 5 players from what is it 15 teams? that's 75 players in the squads that were not before.
Of course not every player is happy just been a squad man, so some will certainly still find there way here. But where super league in the majority of cases were originally getting names out of those 75 players, it is more likely now they will be getting them from the next tier down still.
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| Has the increase been announced? I thought the new TV deal was in negotiation. I must have missed any announcement, could you give me a link to it please?
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"Has the increase been announced? I thought the new TV deal was in negotiation. I must have missed any announcement, could you give me a link to it please?'"
You are correct. It was a publicity announcement of where the clubs would improve from, rather than a confirmation of the deal.
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| The deal won't be done till next year (IIRC?). But a number of clubs have flagged increasing their squad sizes and rotating players more frequently to avoid burnout. Even if that's only 2 players per club extra, that's a significant reduction in reasonable overseas players available to SL.
I don't think it will mean that SL clubs won't be able to find overseas players - there will still be big names able to get a bigger last payday from SL, and those who want regular first team action - but there will probably be a reduction in the number of 'solid' NRL players available.
I don't see that as a bad thing at all, as there are far too many of that type in SL who in the end don't really benefit clubs or overall youth development.
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