Salford outplayed,Warrington,Catalan and London all away.A team of players nobody rated a the start of the season,favourites for the drop.No players that left Salford while Watson has been in charge have exceled at other clubs.He got rid of Chase and Hock as soon as he was appointed to head coach restoring harmony to a workman like group of players who finished 4th in the league.Leeds players wages must be way above what Salford pay.Every player that puts on that red shirt give 100% for their coach.

said the same. someone said it was only salford. that's disgraceful

Well said. Question is why don't the Leeds players give 100% for their coach..

We have no genuine born leaders in the spine of the team. Someone with quality who can be seen as a general both on and off the pitch. There is no one on the pitch that the players can look to when in trouble against a team. We have no Sinfield, Peacock, Magsey etc, how anyone can call Watkins a Captain and leader is delusional, he's so out of form he shouldn't be in the team.
I am all for giving kids a chance, but they need to be in a team where there are leaders, someone to marshal them around the pitch, if not simply making changes for the sake of it will not make us a good team, because without leadership they will not succeed and we end up on here criticising the younger players. If anything for a decent pair of half backs with leadership skills

For all he has given to Leeds, it's now time to step away from playing. I'm not sure what the management think he actually contributes during a game, apart from filling a shirt.

Probably another season to write off, offload the trash and recruit some quality mixed in with the great youth that seems to be in the squad. I still don't understand why the club is in the predicament it is (i actually do understand but not sure how we have arrived here!)

I think we all know how we got here, but like you say believing it is quite incredible.

Long way back from here due to the unqualified mismanagement in almost all positions of significance.

The thing that I like about Salford is that they know what works for them and they go out and perform that game plan each week despite not having a playing rosta that they would necessarily choose if they had more money to spend. They know that they will lose games, but that if all of their players play to the best of their abilities on game day that they will be good enough to pick up wins throughout the season Ian Watson is a very good coach and he clearly knows how to get the best out of the squad he has at his disposal There's clearly some easy lessons to be learnt here by the Rhinos in order to make us competitive in games I posted this after the Rhinos got beat by London earlier in the season: Quote ="The Biffs Back"Everyone knows what changes need to be made at the club in order for us to be successful again and I fully agree with both Sir Kev and Dave Furner with regards to this moving forward long term https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/ ... -1-9577196 But can anyone tell me how Salford went to Catalan and won 46-0 with this squad? 1 Niall Evalds 2 Derrel Olpherts 3 Kris Welham 4 Jake Bibby 5 Ken Sio 6 Robert Lui 7 Jackson Hastings 8 Daniel Murray 9 Joey Lussick 10 Gil Dudson 11 Josh Jones 12 Jansin Turgut 13 Mark Flanagan Subs 14 George Griffin 15 Greg Burke 16 Ben Nakubuwai 17 Adam Lawton I'm sure that Ian Watson would also love to improve his squad by shopping at the top table but they seem to be be able to win games with players that wouldn't necessarily get into most other SL sides,So we can't hide behind this excuse anymore How many of that side would we want? Their spine of Evalds,Lui,Hastings and Lussick work very well together and Ian Watson is also a very under rated coach (despite being a moaning f#cker) IMO it's time for our established current first team players to stand up and be counted and to improve our performances and more importantly our results,and if they can't deliver then IMO lets get committed players in from our academy system that will improve our ineptness and weak areas'"

The thing that I like about Salford is that they know what works for them and they go out and perform that game plan each week despite not having a playing rosta that they would necessarily choose if they had more money to spend. They know that they will lose games, but that if all of their players play to the best of their abilities on game day that they will be good enough to pick up wins throughout the season Ian Watson is a very good coach and he clearly knows how to get the best out of the squad he has at his disposal There's clearly some easy lessons to be learnt here by the Rhinos in order to make us competitive in games I posted this after the Rhinos got beat by London earlier in the season: Quote ="The Biffs Back"Everyone knows what changes need to be made at the club in order for us to be successful again and I fully agree with both Sir Kev and Dave Furner with regards to this moving forward long term https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/ ... -1-9577196 But can anyone tell me how Salford went to Catalan and won 46-0 with this squad? 1 Niall Evalds 2 Derrel Olpherts 3 Kris Welham 4 Jake Bibby 5 Ken Sio 6 Robert Lui 7 Jackson Hastings 8 Daniel Murray 9 Joey Lussick 10 Gil Dudson 11 Josh Jones 12 Jansin Turgut 13 Mark Flanagan Subs 14 George Griffin 15 Greg Burke 16 Ben Nakubuwai 17 Adam Lawton I'm sure that Ian Watson would also love to improve his squad by shopping at the top table but they seem to be be able to win games with players that wouldn't necessarily get into most other SL sides,So we can't hide behind this excuse anymore How many of that side would we want? Their spine of Evalds,Lui,Hastings and Lussick work very well together and Ian Watson is also a very under rated coach (despite being a moaning f#cker) IMO it's time for our established current first team players to stand up and be counted and to improve our performances and more importantly our results,and if they can't deliver then IMO lets get committed players in from our academy system that will improve our ineptness and weak areas'"

In 20 years when we look back at the Golden Generation people will ask why it all collapsed, and the answer is the same as most successful teams that fade - hubris. One of the more interesting questions is how our success lasted as long as it did - from 2004 to 2017 is a hell of a long record of success, and perhaps helps explain why the fall has been so steep and potentially long-lasting.

hubris out

I think you mean arrogance, Hubris is generous. Some posters saw what was happening and voiced the long term effect it would have, sticking necks out to be wrongly critisized. But the club as a sporting organisation should be more proactive, and should have at least someone with the foresight to see this. You strengthen from a position of strength, and if you did something to make it work then continue with that. We stopped with both.

Oh sod off. You’ve been criticising the club since 2003. Utter self-serving tripe. It’s only taken 16 years and you’re finally right.

Give over been an idiot. You know damn well that isn't true, so don't make things up. I have critisized since 2013 and was clear then and since then why. And yes I am right. Does that fill me with glee? no, not at all. I just wish others were not so bloody closed minds that they can not see what is around them.

The point was not to say told you so, but that the club actually have people paid who should forsee this, and that is where critisism should be levied, not arguing amongst supporters.

Hubris is arrogance.

No Hubris is nice way of overstated confidence. Arrogance is what this club has displayed.

Who does this Hubris chap play for? Could we sign him?

Didn't ferries shag his wife

What all of P&O

It's the same thing

Thanks didn't like asking

Talk about splitting hairs. I like the word hubris. After all its almost developed its own thread on here. There would have been no awful puns if I'd said arrogant instead.

I wasn't splitting hairs, I just thought it was too nice a word

No Hubris and arrogance are synonyms. They mean near enough exactly the same.

Whhooooooosssssshhhhhh.

You can write "Whhooooooosssssshhhhhh" all you like, you're not back peddling from splitting hairs now.

wish I had hairs to split......