Think it was something to do with his eyes, after trying to count empty Club Wembley seats. Must've been bad as he kept mistaking fans for empty seats.

Or... broke his jaw spitting his dummy out (again) when when he quit the forums (again), vowing never to return (again) leaving us to enjoy our "dying game".

Or (least likely) he he got a girlfriend last summer and she dumped him just after Xmas when she realised what we've all known for years

I though we looked much better with Faloon playing and doing well. Hardaker apart from the dropped bomb had a good game making plenty of breaks.

Watkins had a stinker, Hall was poor again.

Ablett was awesome on his return.

Big Keithy and Cuthbo did well.

Anybody know why Garbutt and Singo didn't play?

The less involvement Hardaker has in our attacking line the better for me - still a major weak area of his (his only weak area fwiw)

I think it's time to admit defeat in trying to push him into an extra pivot role and concentrate on trying to make into a support playing full back, similar to Wellens, getting on the shoulder of any half breaks. We'll need this even more so when McGuire retires.

McGuire has a calf tear so it could be a few more weeks. Singleton and Garbutt were dropped because their poor performance last week i.e. missed tackles primarily.

Interesting game last night - defence in the first half was attrocious from both sides, it should have been better given Thaler allowed both sides to be offside for much of the game.

On the positive - Galloway had his best game so far, Handley was really good and showed his versatility when moved to the opposite wing. JJB put in a huge stint as did Falloon who will improve once he gets used to the structure.

Very good turn out from the Saints fans which was impressive - Roby showed his class best player on the field by a distance

I kept commenting how less effective Roby is these days, didn't think he was that great at all. All their danger was McCarthy Scarsbrook, and Walsh because we wouldn't tackle him. But then again Roby was still a big presence in defence.

Our missed tackles though from certain individuals was pathetic. Your fullback you could normally excuse with breaks, but he normally pulls them off. Five missed tackles from Zak is poor. Walters and Sutcliffe also with five missed tackles each, and Walters wasn't exactly on for that long. Ablett with six missed tackles, which I am sure all or the majority at least we're in the first half. They are appalling stats for a champion chasing team. Our metres per carry is hardly anything to write home about, but as Thaler forgot about the offside rule, probably explainable.

I did say he seems to have lost pace and concentration

Terrible stats yet they still won at a canter against one of the best sides in the competition - perhaps now some on here will accept the standard of the SL is distinctly average at best.

Watkins has been caught in those type of breakaway situations before so no real change there. He was happy just to hold off the cover defence, not realising he was being caught from behind.

Terry O'Connor certainly had the hots for Watkins last night repeatedly calling him World Class when the only thing he was world class at was in coughing up possession.

Handley had a good game overall but I thought he also should have gassed it for his opening effort. Allowing Walsh to get there even with the angle was a poor effort for a SL winger.

Handley went better last night and managed to cut out the errors but had an opportunity for a score that he failed to take. He did not do enough for the MOM award which IMO should have gone to JJB who in only his 2nd game back after serious injury played the full 80 and led the forwards with tremendous enthusiasm and non stop effort. His 41 tackles (top) and 16 carries (2nd top) and important try made him our top man on the night. This performance was quite remarkable considering many believed him past it and that he should have retired.

A severe dose of Humble Pie Adversion brought on by Rhinosuccessitis and an overdose of NRL syndrome which brought on a recurring SPOTY rash.

Did Jones-Buchanan play the full eighty (?), I thought I saw him with a training top on at the final handshakes, fantastic effort either way but he gave away his usual quota of pens including a bad one when Leeds had St Helens struggling to clear their lines and that enthusiasm got the better of him .... again.
Charging car on way to Leeds so not able to review footage until tomorrow to confirm.

They finally pulled JJB off on about 75 minutes. Got a great, and well deserved, ovation.

[uAussie NRL fan[/u: G'day. How's it going in your European Super League maayte?

[uPommy fan of SL[/u: Kurt Gidley and Chris Sandow are ripping it up pal!

[uAussie NRL fan[/u: That bad, ay?

Last year Sandow tore apart the Rabbitos virtually on his own, the standard of top 8 NRL teams that bad as well?

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Gidley and Sandow ripping apart a patched up Cas team at home is no great barometer is it, after all both have had their moments in the almighty NRL.

Anyway, both appear to be just what Warrington needed to spark them and they should be thereabouts this year.

The tackling from both sides was woeful. Ablets try for us on the stroke of half time should never have been scored.
Walsh apart from not tackling him virtually gave him a pat on the back.

How many SL clubs are patched up these days? Weren't Warrington patched up against Leeds in Round 1? A patched up state is perhaps a useful descriptive of SL itself? After all, it doesn't take much for any SL side to be "patched up" given that none of the SL clubs can even operate a reserve grade. SL is arguably only pretending to be a professional competition.

On the topic of Gidley and Sandow, I'm sure they have had their individual NRL moments. The same cannot be said for how their clubs have performed. Sandow never experienced a single play-off finals fixture in his eight seasons of NRL. Gidley's club was more successful but it was a long time ago. They both must be suffering from nose bleeds right now.


They do, hence why I pointed that out. With a touch of perspective of course. Opinion is deliberately blinkered otherwise.

SL is dire at the minute, i can't argue with you there William i havn't watched a game yet where i thought wow that was good quality. I was shaking my head in disbelief at the pish poor tackling on display last night from two teams who would expect and probably will be challenging. Saints had close to a full side too which must be a worry for them that they can't put away a struggling Leeds team, they have dropped away so much in quality and playing style the last decade and the fact they are still in the mix does say a lot.

Anyway, comp is what it is, hopefully things improve in coming months but i have to admit I'm not enjoying SL at the minute and that has nothing to do with Leeds poor start its the entertainment value accross the board.

AGAIN it shows you dont know what your talking about!


The eels needed to get rid of him because they wanted to play a more structured game under Arthur, and Sandow came out to the press and said that if the coach let him play off the cuff he would win more games, little to do with his playing ability.
He has always had the capability to win games on his own but then often drops format certain points in a season, I expect no difference in SL

Kidley in that respect is the perfect foil for Sandow as for the last few years he has been unspectacular but consistant for the knights

Im not saying SL is high quality atm, far from it, but its stupid to say that the form of the Wire halves in indicative of the SL NRL gulf because they played similar down under

Lucky lad. All I ever used to get was an orange at half time

agree with this. There were some really poor errors last night from both sides. Leeds worked hard to win it but so much room for improvement.very disjointed. Whilst Leeds have a new Middle which keeps changing, saints are more settled and at times looked much more structured but some awful errors. Thought Galloway and ferres had best games to date. Ferres deserves praise for having played every minute this year

I am continually disappointed by the decline in kolpak stiffs in SL these days. Standards have slipped since the halcyon days of Dom Feaunati and Mark Leafa terrorising defences. We have to accept that homegrown talent isn't good enough and we need to bring in more big islander lads on the fringes of the NRL.

Over 3 years since a post and this is what you come back with



Seems its not only the standards of SL that have declined