well, if you believe the Australian Telegraph Newcastle are considering asking Leeds to cancel his contract so he can go back to the Knights. Apparently he isn't ecstatic with playing half games.

Can't imagine Bluey/Hetherington sanctioning that one.

It possibly is when you consider where else we could strengthen with that sort of money,

It would have been very easy to do if the coach chose to do it. He didn't until his hand was forced and to no-ones real surprise the team went undefeated for the rest of the season.

This two hooker in the seventeen crap has been proven to be unneccesary at Leeds where they have two quality eighty minute hookers to choose from, I just wish they would and it would be Buderus with first crack at it for me, leaving Diskin to concentrate on his testimonial for a bit.

That will never happen though and the team performance will suffer somewhat as a consequence with two unhappy hookers instead of one.

We could see how it would go this week if Diskin plays at 13 and Burderus 9.

You see, that's pretty much spot on for me. Buderus IS a better player than Diskin but ultimately we didn't need him. We certainly dont need the luxury of 2 out and out hookers (3 isnt it though) in the squad. IMO the cap money could have been spent better elsewhere. The options IMO were get Buderus and release Diskin, or not get Buderus at all. I'd have gone with the latter.

I still fail to understand all the adulation Buderus receives based on what he's done elsewhere.

I think I am taking up a position like the swiss on this one.

For me his technical ability for a hooker is way ahead of diskin. His passing is far more consistent and accurate, and his speed out of dummy half is much quicker.

Diskin is also a quality hooker who has been a mainstay in the side for the last 7 or 8 seasons. The team are used to his style of play, and it works. he has great defense and stamina and can play the full 80 if required.

If I had to choose to retain one of them it would be Diskin, despite the fact that I think Buderus is the better hooker.

For me the 2 hooker thing doesn't work at Leeds, certainly not with Diskin & Buderus. It also didn't work well with Duneman & Buderus from what I remember of 2005. That year we played well with Duneman as our primary hooker, with others helping out, but when Diskin got back from injury, we changed our style of play to fit both into the 17, and often ended up with too many chiefs and not enough indians out on the pitch, and the balance was wrong. I think its similar to what is happening now.

Neither Diskin or Buderus provide the impact that the likes of Roby or Higham do. They're not that type of player. I don't think eitrher of them is particularly suited to being another position unless in an emergency.

For me, its been good to have Buderus at Leeds. He's a luxury, but one we can afford. I have seen his quality albeit in flashes. Its a shame that he got injured last season at Wigan, and I hope that its not what he's remembered for. He's not been here for a holiday, sure its all about the money, but he wants to win things. Buderus broke his leg last season by committing to a ball that other players wouldn't have bothered going for. It was a shame for him, as he was playing pretty well, but it enabled us to go back to our usual style, and as a result we picked up form after droping the 2 hookers thing.

I don't want either to get injured long term, but if we did I'd argue it would make the team stronger, but not necessarily the squad.

Spot on. Talking sense.

Interesting that the ones who say otherwise usually contradict themselves when it comes to other players, as per your example.

I won't get excited, but at the end of the day come 25 years time, supporters of the game if not Leeds would be hard pressed to remember Matt Diskin, but they certainly won't forget Danny Buderus.

That say's it all for me.

I starting to think Gotcha could be the best troll of all time.

I have to agree with the two excellent summaries from Leics Rhino and Matt23, and credit it where it's due.....some sense from Danny!

Stop been stupid. If you think different then fair enough, but you are Leeds. I still say in 25 years time supporters of other clubs if hearing Diskin's name will struggle to remember. Not many will forget Danny Buderus.

Buderus has been one of the finest players of his generation - as Leeds fans we have been fortunate that the club can afford such a luxury.

I would be loathed to let him go as I think he still has much to offer

A handful of good games for Leeds? Without doubt, he'll be right up there with Terry Newton.

Er no. And had you read the post fully you would have seen that. Nothing to do with Leeds, just the game of RL.

We will all forget the most successful hooker in the clubs entire history in a fart.

Seriously, what is with people that when they jump in all defensive that they fail to read a post properly?

I have repeated 3 times now, yet it still has not sunk in. We are talking about =#FF0080outside of the Leeds club, other suppoters, NOT Leeds.

Just testing your trolling skills Gotcha and why are people outside of Leeds pink?

Fair enough. My comment was tongue in cheek - then again, I thought yours was.

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Quote ="G1"1st point. I don't consider Buderus to be anywhere near one of the best players in Super League yet or even one of the best hookers in Super League, based upon his handful of performances in Super League. Point 2. Thank you. I have a warm glow. You have made me feel its' all been worthwhile. '" You used to though viewtopic.php?f=17&t=421353&start=15

I was responding to your point about giving Buderus the opportunity to have a full game and saying it wasn't easy because he was injured so regularly.

Quote ="The Magic Rat"You used to though viewtopic.php?f=17&t=421353&start=15'" Nice one. I was still questioning Buderus value to the team back then though.

Quote ="The Magic Rat"You used to though viewtopic.php?f=17&t=421353&start=15'" Nice one. I was still questioning Buderus value to the team back then though.

Gotcha,

In 25 years time fans of the game will be able to look at the records and see Diskins' name alongside the Harry Sunderland award.

They won't see Buderus' name there, or listed anywhere in the awards handed out in the English game.

Nice touch. I am sure when gathered around the tap room of the local discussing the old days, it will be so easy to get that copy of Rothmans year book out and be reminded of the names.

Of course no such book would be needed to remember that Aussie legend of the game, you know that Buderus fella, he was reet good him.

P.S. without looking on Google or getting out a book, I can't even tell you what two teams were appearing in 1985, let alone who won the Harry Sunderland trophy.

If you were been honest you would say the same.

You got a crystal ball?