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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"Allegedly him and a pal drank 7 pints each, and a litre of vodka and whiskey. That was before taking the drugs. Taking the drugs out the equation ,that amount of alcohol in the lead up to the biggest game in the history of cas Tigers is staggering.
If as appears cas terminated his contract and received no fee from Wigan that is strange. Why not keep him and sell him, when his ban is finished. I like Powell as a coach and he seems a decent man, he certainly deserved better from hardaker. At face value Wigan have snapped up a bargain buy. Time will tell, surely he won’t screw up again?!!!'"
If Cas had kept with him they would have been ridiculed in some quarters for not setting an example. Morally I think they have done the right thing, though I am not normally the type to dump stupid people on the scrap heap. I am not happy that Wigan appear to think it is acceptable to start talking to disgraced players about a fat new contract even before the ban is announced.
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"Allegedly him and a pal drank 7 pints each, and a litre of vodka and whiskey. That was before taking the drugs. Taking the drugs out the equation ,that amount of alcohol in the lead up to the biggest game in the history of cas Tigers is staggering.
If as appears cas terminated his contract and received no fee from Wigan that is strange. Why not keep him and sell him, when his ban is finished. I like Powell as a coach and he seems a decent man, he certainly deserved better from hardaker. At face value Wigan have snapped up a bargain buy. Time will tell, surely he won’t screw up again?!!!'"
All that ?disgraceful a young athlete abusing his fitness
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| Quote ="tigertot"If Cas had kept with him they would have been ridiculed in some quarters for not setting an example. Morally I think they have done the right thing, though I am not normally the type to dump stupid people on the scrap heap. I am not happy that Wigan appear to think it is acceptable to start talking to disgraced players about a fat new contract even before the ban is announced.'"
You are correct, cas made the right call. I still think they should receive some payment for the lad. Why should cas lose out because hardaker steps out of line. I note the anti doping committee have stated that hardaker was fortunate to take the drugs, as to carry on drinking that amount of alcohol would have killed him. Sadly all this is a major article in today’s times, it’s also well covered in other major newspapers.
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| Quote ="tigertot"If Cas had kept with him they would have been ridiculed in some quarters for not setting an example. Morally I think they have done the right thing, though I am not normally the type to dump stupid people on the scrap heap. I am not happy that Wigan appear to think it is acceptable to start talking to disgraced players about a fat new contract even before the ban is announced.'"
I applaud Cas from making a strong statement by Sacking Hardaker. It's just a shame they could find a way to extract some money from the Pies by holding onto his registration.
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| Quote ="TOMCAT"I applaud Cas from making a strong statement by Sacking Hardaker. It's just a shame they could find a way to extract some money from the Pies by holding onto his registration.'"
I do too, Cas did the right thing and i feel a bit for the way they have come out of all this.Not only did he scupper their SL title chances but he cost them thousands of pounds in the process. In the meantime Zak has a year of down time knowing he already has a top club lined up for 2019 and beyond, probably spending the time jollying it up with his pals.yeah, some punishment that.
The RFL should force ZH to pay a percentage of the Cas transfer fee they paid leeds out of his wages for the duration of his Wigan deal as way of compensation but no doubt nothing will happen and he carries on until the next time he decides to over step the mark.
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| I see some of the Wigan fans uptight that we are taking the moral high ground on Zak.
There`s also mention of McGuire pretending to be injured that cost them in the semi final what 5 years ago now was it, moving the goal posts when Wigan were taking a kick at goal and booing Tomkins when he played for England.
And we signed Hanley who was a bad un.
Pretty much got most of that wrong then.
Of course Wigan always abide by the rules and wouldn`t do anything to cheat a game or the system and would never dream of signing bad boys.
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"I do too, Cas did the right thing and i feel a bit for the way they have come out of all this.Not only did he scupper their SL title chances but he cost them thousands of pounds in the process. In the meantime Zak has a year of down time knowing he already has a top club lined up for 2019 and beyond, probably spending the time jollying it up with his pals.yeah, some punishment that.
The RFL should force ZH to pay a percentage of the Cas transfer fee they paid leeds out of his wages for the duration of his Wigan deal as way of compensation but no doubt nothing will happen and he carries on until the next time he decides to over step the mark.'"
Cas knew exactly what they were signing and exactly what would happen if they sacked him. Their choice both times.
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| Quote ="TOMCAT"I applaud Cas from making a strong statement by Sacking Hardaker. It's just a shame they could find a way to extract some money from the Pies by holding onto his registration.'"
The money will be extracted from Hardaker.
As he committed the first repudiatory breach of contract (be getting faced on alcohol and class A), the club were well within their rights to dismiss him. However, Because he committed the repudiatory breach, he is liable for any financial loss caused by this. In this case, the £150k that it cost to buy him and indeed the cost of his replacement.
The precedent here is the Adrian Mutu case. He failed a drugs tests (cocaine) and was sacked by Chelsea, who then recovered the cost of his transfer fee (£13m) and also the cost of replacing him (£22m). Mutu appealed to every court possible but failed every time. His breach of contract left him personally liable for all Chelsea’s financial loss, including “the wasted costs of acquiring the Player and the cost of replacing the Player” (quoted directly from the court judgement).
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| In which case, Hardaker signing for Wigan on a fat contract is a good thing for Cas, as it's probably the only way they will get any serious money out of him.
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| Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"In which case, Hardaker signing for Wigan on a fat contract is a good thing for Cas, as it's probably the only way they will get any serious money out of him.'"
In fairness, his employment is pretty irrelevant. If Cas bring a case and win, he becomes liable for the cost regardless of income, whether this be earnings from a new contract or recovery of assests etc (or indeed a combination of both).
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| Gary Lo now sacked by Cas apparently. No choice with this one, can't see anyone trying to defend him.
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| Not surprising given what I've heard.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"The money will be extracted from Hardaker.
As he committed the first repudiatory breach of contract (be getting faced on alcohol and class A), the club were well within their rights to dismiss him. However, Because he committed the repudiatory breach, he is liable for any financial loss caused by this. In this case, the £150k that it cost to buy him and indeed the cost of his replacement.
The precedent here is the Adrian Mutu case. He failed a drugs tests (cocaine) and was sacked by Chelsea, who then recovered the cost of his transfer fee (£13m) and also the cost of replacing him (£22m). Mutu appealed to every court possible but failed every time. His breach of contract left him personally liable for all Chelsea’s financial loss, including “the wasted costs of acquiring the Player and the cost of replacing the Player” (quoted directly from the court judgement).'"
If you're citing the Mutu case as a precedent then it's worth noting that Mutu was only held liable for around 40% of the £35m figure you've stated. In any case, I suspect that were Cas to pursue this, all that'll happen is that ZH will declare himself bankrupt and they'll be left with a legal bill to foot.
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| Guys, can I please ask that the Gary Lo sacking / dismissal / release "rumours" aren't spread on here.
I'm not being a killjoy, I think that most people are aware of the rumours circulating at the moment and TBF if they are true then its a shocker, however until such time as there is an official presser stating such "facts" then please DO NOT POST THEM!
Such posts are against the AUP we all signed up to when we joined these forums.
If in doubt, please contact any of the MODS on RFLFANS who can advise.
Cheers
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"The money will be extracted from Hardaker.
As he committed the first repudiatory breach of contract (be getting faced on alcohol and class A), the club were well within their rights to dismiss him. However, Because he committed the repudiatory breach, he is liable for any financial loss caused by this. In this case, the £150k that it cost to buy him and indeed the cost of his replacement.
The precedent here is the Adrian Mutu case. He failed a drugs tests (cocaine) and was sacked by Chelsea, who then recovered the cost of his transfer fee (£13m) and also the cost of replacing him (£22m). Mutu appealed to every court possible but failed every time. His breach of contract left him personally liable for all Chelsea’s financial loss, including “the wasted costs of acquiring the Player and the cost of replacing the Player” (quoted directly from the court judgement).'"
Cheers NT I hope Cas get their £150K back as a minimum.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Not surprising given what I've heard.'"
Do you think its true or do you think its noncense?
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"In fairness, his employment is pretty irrelevant. If Cas bring a case and win, he becomes liable for the cost regardless of income, whether this be earnings from a new contract or recovery of assests etc (or indeed a combination of both).'"
This.
See also the recent Denny Solomona case which Cas 'won'.
Cas are no mugs despite what people may think.
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| Quote ="Lebron James"Do you think its true or do you think its noncense?
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| Quote ="Clearwing"If you're citing the Mutu case as a precedent then it's worth noting that Mutu was only held liable for around 40% of the £35m figure you've stated. In any case, I suspect that were Cas to pursue this, all that'll happen is that ZH will declare himself bankrupt and they'll be left with a legal bill to foot.'"
I remember it being reduced, but I thought they only reduced the amount he had to pay back in terms of his own transfer fee. This was because although they paid £22m, he had actually played for the club and therefore Chelsea had some “value” from his fee, so couldn’t claim it had all been wasted.
In terms of Hardaker it’s different. Cas had him on loan until the end of the season anyway. Consequently, we saw no value from the £150k whatsoever.
If anything, Cas’ biggest mistake was paying the fee earlier than necessary. Knowing his history, common sense would have disctated leaving it as long as possible before paying the fee.
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| And what chance has Zac got keeping his nose clean signing for them ? That Joel has always been a bit naughty
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| Zac is not as thick as he would have you believe - hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson during his enforced exit
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| really? he's not learnt after considerable other episodes.
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| Don't worry, the Wigan club has a culture where players are looked after. Like trying to pay off witnesses and cover things up. All good news for Zak.
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| It’s never his fault anyway.
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