We won.

A bit like the games against Hull and Wigan - would you not agree - far more riding on the Widnes game than either of those two!!

we did indeed. but I take it you were happy with the performances then? bodes well for next year doesn't it?

Not today though or did the stadium scoreboard get it wrong?

Every game matters that is what being a professional is all about - I would have been embarrassed to lose today regardless of the circumstance, this is a team that conceded 40+ points in one half to a championship side!!

I honestly don't see how you think this side can challenge for honours next season even with a proper hooker based on two performances against sides that have been inconsistent all year.

Ok that's your opinion, no going on about it like it's a FACT that we will struggle next year will make it true now.

You honestly couldn't see how I thought we could challenge for honours in 2015 around this point two years ago and derided me on that occasion too.

The question was will we be challenging next year, not will some guys on the internet be entertained by the performances. So if the point is are we challenging next year and last time I checked, winning games and picking up 2 points regularly will do that, just look at Wigan's season, not played a lot of the year but well in the mix now.

but you're a 'guy on the internet' who thinks we will be fine?

we are slowly getting worse. older players a year older, no changes, at the moment.
impossible to see how we can be any better.
st least we won't have the SPOTY to distract us in pre season

I can not believe despite continually saying I won't, that I have just sat through this same 5h1te again. Loyal support means nothing to this club at the moment. This is simply the worst Leeds team I have ever seen. We have had worse players, that is not debatable, but never a team as badly coached and with such a poor attitude running through it.

Those that think all is ok, I really don't believe they are that stupid, I would guess that those people probably don't attend ten games between them a season added together. They certainly haven't watched us this season to have such naivety. To be fair I always expected to get beat by Huddersfield, not because of the last few weeksm but because I just don't think we can beat them at their place with this spineless lot.

You either have to make big player changes, of small changes with a new coaching line up. The current set up doesn't work, and will continue to not work.

No one told him to loan out 3 of our players

2015 was the last season for two extraordinary players and as such a one off - it was the only season in the last 4 the team made the GF let alone win it.

With the best will in the world I can't see how this squad is strong enough on the evidence of the last 12 weeks which Wigan and Hull apart they have played the poorest sides in SL and some teams not even in SL. Yes they have been winning games but against who the majority of the time.

Lets hope it doesn't rain in December

Do you really think that he made those deals or GH did?

surely he had a say? he's the coach!

I would have loaned them to btw

Sorry, didn't realise I couldn't take into account having Sinfield and Peacock still here when predicting our chances in 2015. True it is the only season we have won the GF in the last four, but then again I don't believe the question was "will we win the GF next year", it was will we be challenging.



Ok, but no amount of repeating it from the same posters weekly will actually make it fact at this moment in time.

He may have had a say on who which 3 went but I imagine the idea to loan Fev some players was something arranged by GH and Fev. If GH wants to keep the DR arrangement going with them I'm sure he couldn't turn around and say "no you can't have anyone" and expect them to be happy to continue the arrangement next year......I hardly suspect McDermott walked into GH's office and said "Here Gary can you send these 3 off to Fev for me"

No but to win it you have to be challenging - something that seems a distant memory!!

At least we won't be playing the Kiwis this autumn

Good, that along without 2/3 months of celebrating the season that had just gone will lead to a much better and focused preseason, just like the early surprise loss to Catalans in 2014 I believe helped kick the team in the backside and gave them more time in the offseason that followed.

Don't be silly, why on earth would Fev even care if we loaned them players for what are essentially meaningless fixtures for them, the only one who had been playing regularly for them was Baldwinson anyway

Well if they didn't care to have them then why did they accept and play them every week?

1 They are better players than what they had
2 So we send them players when they DO need them

With number 1 you've just answered why they would want them. Also the Middle 8's aren't meaningless for them, whilst a top 3 spot or even a MPG spot probably didn't enter their expectations, the higher they finish the more prize money they get. If they could've finished the best of the "other 3" Championship teams and been in 6th they would've got more money which at their level they'd very much want. Even a win vs London next week (and Batley lose to Salford) would get them a nice jump up in prize money.

Sums it up for me. Add in the worst kicking game in super league. The other part for me is it is so turgid and dull to watch. Lilley got hurt today driving the ball out of our 20, there was and always is loads of one out drives. We have moon, Watkins and briscoe and just don't get them in the game with any decent ball. I have seen worse Leeds teams with far worse players but our play in possession is now at Peter Fox levels for dull, boring rubbish.

That performance today was many many things, none of it good, but it wasnt spineless. We did nothing but defend for 60 minutes and in the main did it well.

If this is worst Leeds team youve ever seen you cant have watched many in 80s and 90s.

Dont get me wrong the performance today was shambolic, clueless and ill disciplined and very very poor. Dont think there was a lack of effort tho.

Ive long come to the conclusion that McD is going absolutely nowhere so ive given up commenting on it as its pointless. As for big player changes it simply isnt possible when all the squad bar Achurch are contracted for next yr. Yes Zak might go and maybe someone like Cuthbo might claim homesickness that will free up cap space but who knows? Unlikely i would think.

It wasnt by any means Lilley's fault today but if he is the answer ive no idea what the question is. Ive no idea what people see in the lad at all but as i say todays 1st half had many faults and he wasnt alone. I thought Golding did well when he came on as a positive.

All in all a miserable day be glad when season is over but cant see many changes happening at all for next yr rightly or wrongly.

I said the team was spineless, not the performance yesterday, so I ask to read it right. As for the 80's and 90's, read again. I have been going 39 years on the trot, I said we had worse players, but we have not had a team serve up such turgid crap as this week after week. That is the problem. We are so far behind the teams at the top here, who to be frank are also somewhat lacking, that it is frightening.

How this is been ignored from the top is somewhat worrying. But when fans are gullible enough to believe it, maybe not surprising.

But as i said the team defended set after set after set yesterday plenty of it thru their own poor play but i thought we defended well really given the amount of ball Huddersfield had so i cant agree with the word spineless at all. There are plenty of negative words i could use but spineless to me means lack of effort and i saw plenty of effort yesterday. Dont get me wrong tho it was a very poor performance.


As for not having team serve up crap like this week after week are you being serious? Come on pal while this season has been bad what about the season pre GH? We lost virtually ever game by 50 as the club imploded. What about in the Robin Dewhirst era? Weve had plenty of teams who havent give a and being purely at Headingley for the money. I dont believe thats the case with this team at all.

As for other fans being gullible. They are perfectly entitled to their opinions. It doesnt mean you have to go on every single thread going on and on about the same old things like you do.

Marty - Leeds weren't turgid and useless for for anywhere near as long continuously under Dewhurst (Mick Adams crossbar try in CC semi 82, finalists in John Player Trophy 83). In 96 we had a bargain basement squad as a result of the financial implosion - nowhere near as much quality on paper as this year., and we averaged a high 32 points against due to several blowouts. On the flip side we scored a lot more on average, so at least could be entertaining.

This season we lost 16 of our first 20 games in all competitions. That's waaay worse than anything over the past 30+ years. If we'd carried on that way we would have finished bottom and seen a number of horrible records fall. As it is we ended up outside the top flight for the first time EVER since we joined it over a hundred years ago. From what I've seen a lot of those early performances were spineless in every sense - our spine being rubbish and the team generally gutless.

I have little doubt BM will be coach next year, but really can't see anything other than a bog average season at best.