Opponents (H/A/N) Pens For - Pens Against (Referee)

Celtic (H) 7 - 5 (Thaler)

Wakefield (H) 11 - 11 (Ganson)

Hull KR (A) 5 - 12 (Bentham)

Manly (N) 14-13 (Robinson)

Warrington (A) 4 - 7 (Ganson)

Wigan (H) 6 - 6 (Smith)

St Helens (A) 6 - 9 (Bentham)

Les Catalans (H) 10 - 9 (Thaler)

St Helens (H) 8 - 9 (Bentham)

Bradford (A) 6 - 13 (Smith)

Salford (H) 9 - 8 (Child)

Huddersfield (A) 7 - 8 (Silverwood)

Harlequins (H) 8 - 5 (Ganson)

Les Catalans (N) 4 - 6 (Alibert)

Castleford (A) 6 - 8 (Smith)

Hull (H) 7 - 11 (Alibert)

Interesting, Mr Bentham,Smith & Alibert are biggest foes.

Cant believe i've not written Mr Ganson as well, i've never forgiven him for penalising burrow for clapping his hands against Wigan that time and cost us a point.

Interesting if you cut that up by Ref (W/L/D)....

Thaler - 2/0/0
Ganson - 1/1/1
Bentham - 0/0/3
Robinson - 1/0/0
Smith - 0/1/2
Child - 1/0/0
Silverwood - 0/0/1
Alibert - 0/0/2

Looks like we have certain refs that do like us and others that definitely don't. Ganson seems to have the "fairest" stats which might go against popular opinion on here...

I can't recall a penalty been given this season that I didn't understand or would particularly take issue with. I think the problem lies elsewhere to be honest.

W/D/L

Sort those W/L/D's out and I might reply.





It's not that simple.

I always get the impression that Ganson is careful to 'lvel up' any penalty count when the game is settled.

A trick learned at the feet of Russell Smith, the master of that particular art.

Too true, Bradford cup semi 99 and the resulting final spring to mind.

I thought Alibert was the ref at Murrayfield?

If you think that's the only problem with those W/L/D records you're not looking hard enough.

Sorry Obi Wan, too much sun and san miguel for me at the moment.....

can you not help him out of this situation he's got himself into?

I hope you're not posting while on holiday, that's criminal around here.

The W/D/L record for Leeds in 2009 by referee:

Phil Bentham 1 - 0 - 2

Steve Ganson 2 - 0 - 1

Ian Smith 2 - 0 - 1

Thierry Alibert 2 - 0 - 0

Ben Thaler 2 - 0 - 0

James Child 0 - 0 - 1

Jason Robinson 0 - 0 - 1

Richard Silverwood 1 - 0 - 0

b@$t@rds!

I think the issue is that whilst the penalties that we concede are generally correct decisions, we seem (in my biased Rhino eyes) to be penalised for offences where the opposition don't & that is the problem.
I don't think that we get penalised a lot for hands in at the play the ball but we do get penalised for continuing to work the tackled player, for high shots & for offside when we're defending near our own line.
Lee Smith for example last night & Scott Donald against the Bulls or was it vs Saints when he shot out of the line intercepted the ball & ran the length of the field?
All we ask for is consistency.
I agree totally with the point about Ganson & Smith, it all depends when in the game pens are conceded. With Smith it seemed that we were hammered until the opposition were out of sight then he evened it up when we were too tired to be able to take advantage.
Having said all that last night Allibert penalised them at least twice on the fifth tackle, true coach killers.
Finally, whatever we may think I don't believe that refs are biased & without them we have no game.

Neither, it was V the Harlequins with Steve Ganson.

I might have misunderstood Batley's post, but I thought his W/D/L was in relation to the penalty count rather than the result.

Hey, I never considered that.

LOL at me.

Apologies to his mount pleasantness.

i tell you what, you're on the ball today!

good effort that, well done! you get a gold star!

This threads like some kind of specialist code, are the Aliens invading?

If they are I'll get the "Benefits for All" t-shirts ready.

The co-ordinates for the attack have been sent.... it's time to consider what (or who) to spend your last four minutes doing.

Gold Stars to DISA indeed, that's exactly what I was referring to, (might still be wrong on the stats though).

If there is a correlation between the penalty count stats per ref and the win/loss ratio per ref, I'd be interested to see it.

[size=59ps, tvoc, I hang my head in shame for posting on holiday, I'll give myself 10 lengths of the pool as a punishment....[/size

Having a go at refs for the odd decision is one thing - very occasionally it can change the result of a game. But lets face it, looking for this sort of thing to try to explain losing games and basically playing badly is a tad desperate. I would have thought that the issue is more around Leeds' (lack of) discipline than any bias.

McGuire's first ever try for the club. Sort of interception picked up off the deck. Right? Right?