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| Quote ="finglas"Crooks went off with a dislocated shoulder in the SF IIRC - don't think he played in the final.
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Before Friday, in terms of the SL Regular Rounds, there were three teams who had a better win to loss ratio when facing Leeds - now there are two (St Helens and Wigan) as the Leeds win at Odsal finally drew them level with their local rivals in this one aspect and did so for the first time during the SL Era.
As commented on yesterday on the Lowes thread, his playing retirement marked what appears to be a turning point in this fixture: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=549667&tsmp=1367917798&start=51
Quote ="tvoc" From a Leeds fans point of view it was almost as if we had to wait for Lowes to quit playing (as he did after the GF success of 2003) before we could begin to win some long overdue silverwear.'"
SL Regular Rounds - Leeds V Bradford - 1996 to 2003:
Pl 22, W 4, D 0, L 18, Pts For 400, Pts Agst 687, (Avg Scr 18 - 31)
And since Lowes quit playing
SL Regular Rounds - Leeds V Bradford - 2004 to 2013:
Pl 29, W 20, D 3, L 6, Pts For 780, Pts Agst 552, (Avg Scr 27 - 19)
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While Leeds have a better win to loss ratio against every other team they've faced in the SL Regular Rounds (bar St Helens and Wigan as stated above) there is one other team besides Bradford that has enjoyed parity with the Headingley club ........... [size=150Oldham[/size. |
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Before Friday, in terms of the SL Regular Rounds, there were three teams who had a better win to loss ratio when facing Leeds - now there are two (St Helens and Wigan) as the Leeds win at Odsal finally drew them level with their local rivals in this one aspect and did so for the first time during the SL Era.
As commented on yesterday on the Lowes thread, his playing retirement marked what appears to be a turning point in this fixture: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=549667&tsmp=1367917798&start=51
Quote ="tvoc" From a Leeds fans point of view it was almost as if we had to wait for Lowes to quit playing (as he did after the GF success of 2003) before we could begin to win some long overdue silverwear.'"
SL Regular Rounds - Leeds V Bradford - 1996 to 2003:
Pl 22, W 4, D 0, L 18, Pts For 400, Pts Agst 687, (Avg Scr 18 - 31)
And since Lowes quit playing
SL Regular Rounds - Leeds V Bradford - 2004 to 2013:
Pl 29, W 20, D 3, L 6, Pts For 780, Pts Agst 552, (Avg Scr 27 - 19)
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While Leeds have a better win to loss ratio against every other team they've faced in the SL Regular Rounds (bar St Helens and Wigan as stated above) there is one other team besides Bradford that has enjoyed parity with the Headingley club ........... [size=150Oldham[/size. | |
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What are the St Helens' figures, TVOC? And how do they change if you add Grand Finals into the calculation?
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Quote ="tvoc"Before Friday, in terms of the SL Regular Rounds, there were three teams who had a better win to loss ratio when facing Leeds - now there are two (St Helens and Wigan) as the Leeds win at Odsal finally drew them level with their local rivals in this one aspect and did so for the first time during the SL Era.
As commented on yesterday on the Lowes thread, his playing retirement marked what appears to be a turning point in this fixture: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=549667&tsmp=1367917798&start=51
SL Regular Rounds - Leeds V Bradford - 1996 to 2003:
Pl 22, W 4, D 0, L 18, Pts For 400, Pts Agst 687, (Avg Scr 18 - 31)
And since Lowes quit playing
SL Regular Rounds - Leeds V Bradford - 2004 to 2013:
Pl 29, W 20, D 3, L 6, Pts For 780, Pts Agst 552, (Avg Scr 27 - 19)
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While Leeds have a better win to loss ratio against every other team they've faced in the SL Regular Rounds (bar St Helens and Wigan as stated above) there is one other team besides Bradford that has enjoyed parity with the Headingley club ........... [size=150Oldham[/size.'"
(Don't you just hate it when the page changes.)
Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"What are the St Helens' figures, TVOC? And how do they change if you add Grand Finals into the calculation?'"
If you add the SL Play-Off results to the Regular Rounds Leeds are still trailing St Helens but it's a little closer - add the Challenge Cup and it's a little worse again.
Leeds V St Helens
SL Regular Rounds -
Pl 41, W 18, D 0, L 23, Pts For 939, Pts Agst 1130, (Avg Scr 23 - 2icon_cool.gif
SL Play-Offs -
Pl 10, W 6, D 0, L 4, Pts For 232, Pts Agst 204, (Avg Scr 23 - 20)
Challenge Cup -
Pl 9, W 4, D 0, L 5, Pts For 201, Pts Agst 231, (Avg Scr 22 - 26) |
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As commented on yesterday on the Lowes thread, his playing retirement marked what appears to be a turning point in this fixture: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=549667&tsmp=1367917798&start=51
SL Regular Rounds - Leeds V Bradford - 1996 to 2003:
Pl 22, W 4, D 0, L 18, Pts For 400, Pts Agst 687, (Avg Scr 18 - 31)
And since Lowes quit playing
SL Regular Rounds - Leeds V Bradford - 2004 to 2013:
Pl 29, W 20, D 3, L 6, Pts For 780, Pts Agst 552, (Avg Scr 27 - 19)
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While Leeds have a better win to loss ratio against every other team they've faced in the SL Regular Rounds (bar St Helens and Wigan as stated above) there is one other team besides Bradford that has enjoyed parity with the Headingley club ........... [size=150Oldham[/size.'"
(Don't you just hate it when the page changes.)
Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"What are the St Helens' figures, TVOC? And how do they change if you add Grand Finals into the calculation?'"
If you add the SL Play-Off results to the Regular Rounds Leeds are still trailing St Helens but it's a little closer - add the Challenge Cup and it's a little worse again.
Leeds V St Helens
SL Regular Rounds -
Pl 41, W 18, D 0, L 23, Pts For 939, Pts Agst 1130, (Avg Scr 23 - 2icon_cool.gif
SL Play-Offs -
Pl 10, W 6, D 0, L 4, Pts For 232, Pts Agst 204, (Avg Scr 23 - 20)
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With thanks to =#0000FFA-Fire-Inside we have the following : (As referenced incorrectly by Eddie Hemmings at the Bradford game.)
=#0000FFDanny McGuire needs three tries to reach 250 for his career.
McGuire has touched down 229 times for Leeds since 2001, and has also scored representative tries for Great Britain (5 Test & 2 Non-Test, 2004 & 2006-2007), England (4, 2008-2009), England 'A' (2, 2002-2003) and England Under-21s (5, 2001).
As well as tries scored, McGuire has kicked one goal for Great Britain (2006 Tri-Nations, against New Zealand) and three field goals for Leeds, leaving him needing seven points for a career total of 1,000.
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Ryan Hall Needs 1 try for 150 for Leeds in All Comps while Kallum Watkins needs 1 for 50.
Leeds' SL Era Top Try-Scorers:
1 - Danny McGuire 229
2 - Keith Senior 171
3 - Rob Burrow 153
4 - Ryan Hall 149
5 - Francis Cummins 136 (188 Leeds total - including pre SL career)
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18 - Andy Hay 50
19 - Kallum Watkins 49
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Each of our players from one to seven (positionally) scored a try yesterday. When did that last happen?
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From a comment made on SKY - it appears the last (and possibly only previous) time it has happened in SL was the 8th August 1999 when Wigan defeated Huddersfield at the McAlpine Stadium 60 points to 10.
Wigan's backs lined up :
Kris Radlinski
Jason Robinson, Gary Connolly, Danny Moore, Paul Johnson
Greg Florimo, Tony Smith
All the above scored a try each bar Smith who bagged a brace.
(Gavin Clinch came off the bench and also scored a try.)
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| Quote ="tvoc"(Gavin Clinch came off the bench and also scored a try.)'"
A one-on-one ball steal under the sticks no doubt. |
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| Quote ="Wheels"Quote ="tvoc"(Gavin Clinch came off the bench and also scored a try.)'"
A one-on-one ball steal under the sticks no doubt.'"
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Always fun to watch when that happens - unless it's against your own team - nah it's still funny even then.
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He was good, but no Ryan Sheridan.
Just ask Danny Peacock.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Always fun to watch when that happens - unless it's against your own team - nah it's still funny even then.'"
Didn't Mike Kuiti once nick one from Paul Harkin from a scrum at HQ? I remember finding that one very funny. I loathed Harkin, even (possibly especially) when he played for us. |
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That's correct, it was Kuiti's first try in the blue and amber. It came on his Leeds debut (Jan 1990) where he scored two and set Norman Francis up for the other in a MOTM performance highlighting the 13 - 8 win. The ball steal/intercept was down the blind side at a scrum as Harking tried to get Graham Mackay into his stride when Kuiti popped up with ball in hand to go over in the North-West corner with the Bradford scrum-half left chasing shadows.
Seven days earlier Harkin had ruled Headingley in a Challenge Cup Preliminary round victory over Leeds and was a regular pain in Leeds' side most notably when turning out for Bradford or Hull KR - the trip on Tony Currie at Elland Road aside - and we still couldn't beat them.
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Paul Dixon was the best ball-stealer I've seen, both for and against Leeds.
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| Quote ="craigizzard"Paul Dixon was the best ball-stealer I've seen, both for and against Leeds.'"
Quite correct , what's more he used to do it on a regular basis.
If my memory serves me well, I believe he was a farmer from out Halifax way. |
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TVOC - I miss your regular updates and stats on here! So to give you some work to do...
Did Sinfield end the year in 5th place in the all time points scoring list? And I am I right in thinking he'll move into 4th in leeds appearances in2014, injuries permitting?
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According to this year's handbook, Sinfield is 5th in the all-time scorers chart with 3690.
3rd and 4th are both in reach, being Risman with 4050 and Woods with 3985. He's no chance of 2nd, which is Sullivan with 6022.
TVOC may have different figures. The Yearbook isn't always accurate.
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| Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"According to this year's handbook, Sinfield is 5th in the all-time scorers chart with 3690.
3rd and 4th are both in reach, being Risman with 4050 and Woods with 3985. He's no chance of 2nd, which is Sullivan with 6022.
TVOC may have different figures. The Yearbook isn't always accurate.'"
Yes, 3rd is clearly as high as he will go. I'd go as far as saying those top two will never be caught. It is highly unlikely |
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This thread is being sadly neglected this year!
Off the top of my head we've missed JP's 500th game, Burrow's 400th game, McGuire's 200th try and Sinfield reaching another point milestone (not exactly sure what).
We should be celebrating these milestones as it may be any years before a core of players ever achieve such things together again.
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| Quote ="Andy R"This thread is being sadly neglected this year!
Off the top of my head we've missed JP's 500th game, Burrow's 400th game, McGuire's 200th try and Sinfield reaching another point milestone (not exactly sure what).
We should be celebrating these milestones as it may be any years before a core of players ever achieve such things together again.'"
I believe Ablett, Hall and Kirke have all hit the 200 game mark and Watkins the 100 mark so far this season. Sinfield passed the 3,500 point mark (currently 3,556)
Upcoming,
Bailey 300 games (currently 298 so could be vs Wigan next Friday)
Peacock 250 for Leeds (currently 236)
Hardaker 100 (currently 89)
Burrow is on 977 points
A bit further back and probably next season
McGuire 350 (currently 329)
Sinfield 500 (currently 474)
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Upcoming,
Bailey 300 games (currently 298 so could be vs Wigan next Friday)
Peacock 250 for Leeds (currently 236)
Hardaker 100 (currently 89)
Burrow is on 977 points
A bit further back and probably next season
McGuire 350 (currently 329)
Sinfield 500 (currently 474)
These are from the Leeds Rhinos website so other people might have different figures.'"
I wonder if Sinfield will get to second in the appearance list behind John Holmes? I think Fred Webster is on 543.He would need two seasons after this one |
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By my reckoning, Sinny's 12 points yesterday puts him on 3800 career points.
4th place in the all-time list is certainly within reach this season.
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| Quote ="Andy R"This thread is being sadly neglected this year!
Off the top of my head we've missed JP's 500th game, Burrow's 400th game, McGuire's 200th try and Sinfield reaching another point milestone (not exactly sure what).
We should be celebrating these milestones as it may be any years before a core of players ever achieve such things together again.'"
A rare RL article in this weeks Sunday Times features Leeds and is headed "Senior servants stimulate Leeds" It was all about the "golden generation" at Leeds continuing to set records. It mentioned JP's career 500th & Rob Burrow's 400th, Sinny's passing 3500 points, McGuire notching up his 250th try. It had quotes from the key players and from coach Brian McDermott who cited the importance of long-serving conditioner Jason Davidson and physio Andy Barker. |
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