He has been one of our most consistent performers this year, mostly starting at centre. This situation is for a 2nd row to come on after 30/40 mins against a tiring part time Championship team.

Like I said before, if it was Hudds away or even for one of them to start the game tomorrow then I'd go Keinhorst......but that's not the scenario. More ideal for a flat track bully in attack than a defensive rock to come on mid game.

But why is he only being considered for a bench spot?
He has been more solid in defence than Ferres and especially ablett, who would both usually offer more in attack (as a second row) but haven't shown it this year enough to warrant keeping their starting place.
If Mac was more ready to drop the 'big name' players, we wouldn't have seen so many below par performances from our supposedly star players this year.

Well Ferres has made over 100m most of his games this year which Keinhorst simply wouldn't do at 2nd row by a distance. Ablett granted but he's missed a lot with injury and clearly wasn't fit on his previous return. He does have credit in the bank, which TBF some will scoff at but the same was said for Hall coming straight back in for Handley but that went ok. Also in a team that lost several leaders last year, Ablett is a much more experienced head than Keinhorst, who whilst a good performer is pretty quiet on the pitch and more of a follower than a leader.

Both also have more size than Keinhorst. Let's be honest with his attack when playing SECOND ROW, it's not like he makes loads of metres and attracts defenders (don't confuse his attack at centre with his attack when playing 2nd row and say they're similar positions, they're different positions and the difference can be noticeable). Very much like Delaney, the attraction of his selection at 2nd row is mostly about defence/effort......for this particular game I think attack is more needed from the bench.

I think Keinhorst should be in. But the comment about about our most consistent performer only highlights how fickle and to be fair stupid Leeds fans are. He has had about four good games this year, yet still there is quite a few fans that dine out on it months later. He has been no more consistent than other single player this year. However, to highlight just how poor we are, he should still be in ahead of others.

Keinhorst should be in with a good chance of our player of the season.

Maybe that does show how poor and inconsistent others have been, but so be it.

Even if you think keinhorst's attack at second row isn't as affective as when he's playing centre, and even if you think we need impact around 30-40 mins and keinhorst isn't that sort of player, that's fair enough. But to think achurch WILL bring you an attacking threat and impact off the bench- I cannot agree with that at all. I would say we don't have that player available you are after, rather than look to achurch. He bottles every opportunity he gets, which keinhorst certainly does not. It can't be great for keinhorst being one of the most consistent performers this season, yet seeing that lump achurch picked over him. I hope he does get POTY, its probably his one chance to ever get an achievement like that, and he's one of only a few that's deserved it.

Keinhorst in.

It's comments like this that gets people's backs up with you Gotcha. You come on and make out you're more rugby educated and savy than others. People give their opinions and thoughts but you call them stupid! Whilst Jimmy hasn't been a game changer, he's been the one to put his body week after week when others went missing. This stands out for people in a struggling team.

Just ask yourself sometimes why people have go's at you so often. You're no better than the rest of us. Even with your 'in the know' information you're still watching from the stands and commenting on here.

People on high horses are more likely to be knocked off

Just to be clear mate, I have no emotion whatsoever to what people think. But what is making out more educated by saying what I said? I am interested to know why you didn't quote the rest of the post but just one line? The point is clear, it was the word consistent, he has been no more consistent than any other player this season. For a start, Garbutt must have had at least double figures more consistently better games than him.

The point about fickle and stupid is that this is what always comes out with Leeds fans. It wasn't personal to the person who posted. But a couple of good games and you are suddenly the bee's knees, but player B puts in a couple of bad ones and he will never be forgiven. Case in point Achurch, fickle is the nearest match to certain posters.

This is a message board, with differing opinions, if you don't like that then just stay off it, then offence isn't taken.

He doesn't offer as many meters as some of the bigger back rowers granted, but I do think he offers as much as any back rower we have with ball in hand, both linking in the line and in beating the man in front of them (this season at least).
We should have 4 props playing and a big back 3 so meters shouldn't be too hard to come by anyway.

What has been impressing me about Keinhorst this season is his ability to read an attack in defence and effort to prevent tries. He is often the first to react to a break and does his fair share of cleaning up loose balls as well.
Hopefully we won't need plays like that against fev but better safe than sorry imo.

I think he probably deserves it at this point in the year, but I doubt he will get it.
Many of the more committed supporters will remember his efforts through the year, but I think the average fan will pick a player who stands out more, possibly Watkins if his recent form continues, despite his below par performances earlier.
On top of that, he certainly isn't one of Mac's 'favourites' and(as some have suggested) may find himself out of the team.

IMO this game is going to be a bit harder than most on here suggest for the simple reason that both teams have not played for 2 weeks. The week off will be a great leveller and where we could have expected Fev to fall off in the last 20 under normal circumstances, the fact that we are in play off rugby and 2 rested teams will make it harder than if this was a normal mid season game.
I still expect Leeds to win but it will not be at a cantor. Leeds best chance is to start quickly and get a score or two ahead early on. Hopefully they will not then relax and try to defend a lead. i don't see this being more than a 12 -18pt margin but with Leeds of 2016 who knows

in red hot weather against part timers fitness will tell. tight for a while but Leeds by plenty.

You condescending so-and-so. The reason I quoted that one line is because that's the one you call people stupid!! Yes it's a message board where people have opinions so why do you feel you can slate other people's (calling them stupid for thinking Jimmy has been consistent) but if anyone says anything about you you get all angry. And don't tell me you aren't and you don't care what people say because the amount of arguments you get into show you do.

The same way you want to be able to say your piece, let people say there's. I'm an educated bloke (who has never met you, wouldn't want to and therefore am not your mate) and I can see all sides of arguments. To come out and say your point about Garbutt us fair enough and warranted. But what isn't is calling people fickle and stupid for theirs. THAT IS MY POINT!! You're an absolute hypocrite!!!!

At no point whatsoever this year has Achurch proved or shown he deserves selection ahead of JK irresepctive of opponent.

Really?? So if fans rate JK this season as one of our best/most consistent (You're well known pet hate btw) they're fickle & stupid?

No they are fickle for building him up, whilst criticising others for the same sort of displays. They are stupid if saying he is "our most consistent performer", because of a four game run mid season, whilst others have consistently put in big performances.

Not quite sure what is hard to grasp.

Didn't say he was our best every week, but I can't think of any games where he has given up or been outright shocking, and there are not many in our squad that you can say that about.

Who would you say has been our most consistent performer in all your wisdom?

I'd say at one point Keinhorst was our best performer of the year, but after Round 16 he was reduced to a limited bench role so obviously hasn't had the minutes to keep that up.

I'd be tempted to say Garbutt, he makes massive metres nearly every week and no other prop in SL made more metres per game than him.

Although he shouldn't at this point (even though he's hitting a bit of good form) I'd bet that either Watkins will be given the club's player of the year, mainly because he's been out there every week or JJB who has been an ever present since Round 5 and does a load of tackling and maybe it could be his final year so sentimental as well.....those aren't my personal choices btw just the ones I think the club will go for for their award. The fans player of the year will be an interesting one. Lilley will be a shoe in to win the YEP Shooting Star award.

Garbutt by a million miles has been our best and most consistent performer. Galloway has been very consistent. JJB since return, very consistent. Delaney and Moon when game time, consistent. Watkins has had to put up with a lot, but has consistently put his body on the line.

Keinhorst, whilst I accept your above bit, and apologise if my first post came across as personal to you post which wasn't intended, hadn't come close to those players.

Achurch who by some is scapegoat, or as I put it fickle fans, since announced leaving, has been the equal and more of what Keinhorst has given. One is critisized and another unwarranted praised. Although I do think Printers point about game time is a contributor to that, with Achurch given more time. Now, if you are talking value for money, then it would be Keinhorst every time, no question. But just simply level of performance there really is no foundation in the massive gap of comments on the two players.

No Cuthbertson so both Keinhorst and Achurch on the bench.

Sutcliffe
Briscoe
Watkins
Moon
Hall
McGuire
Burrow
Galloway
Segeyaro
Singleton
Ferres
Ablett
JJB

Garbutt
Delaney
Achurch
Keinhorst

Luke Briscoe and Baldwinson start for Fev, no Walters.

Achurch at his best has been average & never outshone JK either in effort or quality that's not scapegoating that's backed up by his peformances name 1 game where he's shone individually?

Great turn out here btw Fev for SL the ground is certainly up to it.

McGuire and Burrow just doesn't work as a HB pairing.

10-0 looking fine. Clocked off a bit after, gave away a sloppy try but that seemed to wake us up again. Middle defence could be better as Fev have made metres quite well and would like to see us go wider earlier as Watkins and Moon could have a field day. Kicking hasn't been good so far but hopefully it's rustiness on McGuire's part. Would like to see Briscoe and Hall used more. Too many carries from Delaney and JJB who won't do you prop like metres or quick ptb's.

can't believe some thought this would be tight. the gulf between the sides is massive