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| Im not defending racism or condoning it in anyway but Ive recently returned from working in America (Bear with me; this aint a life story) where I was working with a good 20-30 Aussies. They were all genuine, nice people but on occasions they would say remarks which if uttered in England would get you in alot of Trouble. After a few discussions I found that Aussies regularly use words to describe people that if said in England would be deemed racist.... If the Manly player has outright been racist with malicious intent; then we do not need that in our game and he deserves punishment. A reason for Leeds' failure to pursue the comments may have been however that it was not meant in a racist way it was literally just a case of language barriers. Just a thought???
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| Quote ="Ari Gold"Where's the line though?
To me there's a big difference between a chant like that directed as banter, and calling someone a "black" whatever.'"
Got any banter for Leon Pryce?
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| Quote ="Charmless Nerk"Got any banter for Leon Pryce?'"
Has he resurfaced yet?
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| Quote ="SDB" A reason for Leeds' failure to pursue the comments may have been however that it was not meant in a racist way it was literally just a case of language barriers. Just a thought???'"
I thought ignorance is no defence in law?
It should have gone in Robinson's match report for the authorities to deal with not left to individual players to pursue.
I remember Leeds falling foul of not having procedures in place to deal with this kind of thing.
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| Quote ="SDB"literally just a case of language barriers. Just a thought???'"
Please don’t give us your life story
Its probably was more a less nothing however I’m sure that Australians are bough up in schools and taught all about racism like we are. Racism against immigrant islanders in Australia is probably deemed more offensive than racism against a British bloke.
It would be best to just leave it now IMO unless it did cause distress to the player(s) who where offended.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"Please don’t give us your life story
Its probably was more a less nothing however I’m sure that Australians are bough up in schools and taught all about racism like we are. Racism against immigrant islanders in Australia is probably deemed more offensive than racism against a British bloke.
It would be best to just leave it now IMO unless it did cause distress to the player(s) who where offended.'"
After hearing first hand some of the words Aussies routinely use to describe people from other parts of the world, I'd suggest it's something that they're not even aware of. One example would be what they still call a person from Pakistan.
Do they mean offence? I don't think so, but that's not the same as it being OK to use the words.
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| there is a regular aussie poster on totalrl condoning it because he said leeds players were grabbing manly players privates in the tackle.
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"there is a regular aussie poster on totalrl condoning it because he said leeds players were grabbing manly players privates in the tackle.'"
Oh well....If they we're doing that it makes it alright then?
Or Not....Noone should condone it......
Ref should have included it in his report.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"Please don’t give us your life story
Its probably was more a less nothing however I’m sure that Australians are bough up in schools and taught all about racism like we are. Racism against immigrant islanders in Australia is probably deemed more offensive than racism against a British bloke.
It would be best to just leave it now IMO unless it did cause distress to the player(s) who where offended.'"
Go and read some Australian web forums.
Just as an example, go find out what the Aussie slang is for a person of Greek or Lebonese ancestory, try a Sydney based club for starters, a place where they have quite large communities of those people.
Just don't come back here and repeat it though.
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"Go and read some Australian web forums.
Just as an example, go find out what the Aussie slang is for a person of Greek or Lebonese ancestory, try a Sydney based club for starters, a place where they have quite large communities of those people.
Just don't come back here and repeat it though.'"
Robinsons?
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| Quote ="tvoc"I thought ignorance is no defence in law?
It should have gone in Robinson's match report for the authorities to deal with not left to individual players to pursue.
I remember Leeds falling foul of not having procedures in place to deal with this kind of thing.'"
Typical of his "style" of refing which I expressed concern about before the game.....oh and after as well
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| Quote ="Lord_Percy"Robinsons?'"
We'll go a dangerous step further and say "Robinsons logo"...
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"We'll go a dangerous step further and say "Robinsons logo"...'"
I'd guessed what it was and you've just confirmed it.
On a slightly related note, I saw the other week they've finally changed the name of that stand, the one someone used to have as an avatar, after losing a race case. The club concerned, I forget who it was, claimed it was the players nickname due to the brand of shoe polish he used
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| You could have just said Carol Thatcher and have done with it.
Quote ="Lord_Percy"The club concerned, I forget who it was, claimed it was the players nickname due to the brand of shoe polish he used
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Makes a change from blaming 'Guy Gibson's Labrador' I suppose.
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| Quote ="tvoc" Makes a change from blaming 'Guy Gibson's Labrador' I suppose.'"
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| Quote ="SDB"Nice.....'"
Can't wait for the Peter Jackson produced re-make:
"Fetch African-American"
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| Quote ="SDB"Im not defending racism or condoning it in anyway but Ive recently returned from working in America (Bear with me; this aint a life story) where I was working with a good 20-30 Aussies. They were all genuine, nice people but on occasions they would say remarks which if uttered in England would get you in alot of Trouble. After a few discussions I found that Aussies regularly use words to describe people that if said in England would be deemed racist.... If the Manly player has outright been racist with malicious intent; then we do not need that in our game and he deserves punishment. A reason for Leeds' failure to pursue the comments may have been however that it was not meant in a racist way it was literally just a case of language barriers. Just a thought???'"
Was one of them called Dean Lance?
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| Quote ="SDB"Im not defending racism or condoning it in anyway but Ive recently returned from working in America (Bear with me; this aint a life story) where I was working with a good 20-30 Aussies. They were all genuine, nice people but on occasions they would say remarks which if uttered in England would get you in alot of Trouble. After a few discussions I found that Aussies regularly use words to describe people that if said in England would be deemed racist.... If the Manly player has outright been racist with malicious intent; then we do not need that in our game and he deserves punishment. A reason for Leeds' failure to pursue the comments may have been however that it was not meant in a racist way it was literally just a case of language barriers. Just a thought???'"
You can't honestly believe they don't know what they're saying or what affect it has on the person they're saying it to? Even If this is the case they are still being racist as ignorance is no defence.
Maybe the entire Australian population need educating
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| Surely Robinson should have included it in his report if both Diskin said something and Sinfield confirmed it. Or do players actually have to ask for something to be put in a refs report? I personally think that Robinson's failure to include it in his match report says a lot about him and perhaps he too needs to go on a racism awareness course.
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| Quote ="Essex Rhino"Surely Robinson should have included it in his report if both Diskin said something and Sinfield confirmed it. Or do players actually have to ask for something to be put in a refs report? I personally think that Robinson's failure to include it in his match report says a lot about him and perhaps he too needs to go on a racism awareness course.'"
They don't exsist in oz mate!!
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the world has gone potty here is all thje news .pics.videos. nrl drama The National Rugby League (NRL) has stepped into the controversy over Manly full-back Brett Stewart, banning him from playing for four weeks after he was charged with sexual assault late yesterday.
The Sea Eagles named Stewart to face the Bulldogs in their opening round clash on Saturday night.
But after a heated meeting with Manly officials this morning an angry NRL board announced that Stewart was being suspended until round five and the club was being fined $100,000.
www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009 ... 513133.htm
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the world has gone potty here is all thje news .pics.videos. nrl drama The National Rugby League (NRL) has stepped into the controversy over Manly full-back Brett Stewart, banning him from playing for four weeks after he was charged with sexual assault late yesterday.
The Sea Eagles named Stewart to face the Bulldogs in their opening round clash on Saturday night.
But after a heated meeting with Manly officials this morning an angry NRL board announced that Stewart was being suspended until round five and the club was being fined $100,000.
www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009 ... 513133.htm
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| Guilty until proved innocent?
Whilst OK for Australians, I can't see it catching on in a civilised country.
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"there is a regular aussie poster on totalrl condoning it because he said leeds players were grabbing manly players privates in the tackle.'"
I would not condone the use of racist language but if this is the case, then I can understand why someone with a less than articulate mindset would be provoked into making such statements.
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| thats a storm tactic
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| Quote ="Boris"I would not condone the use of racist language but if this is the case, then I can understand why someone with a less than articulate mindset would be provoked into making such statements.'" From my point of view, these days, if someone grabs hold of my private parts I say "thank you very much" rather than abuse them.
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