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| Agreed. We should be smart enough to have players pushing up to support any breaks anyway.
I like Miller, hes green as but this is why hes struggled sometimes in a team that just ships him the ball and goes here, do something.
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| Doesn’t sound like Rohan is going anywhere soon from the YEP article about today's presser
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| Quote ="leeds owl"I’m not sure you’re right here. I think we are one of the slower teams overall in the league, and I’d only rate two out of the four above as quantifiably “fast”. We are guessing with both Newman and Miller because we haven’t really seen either in a true foot race this season. I think Harry has slowed down and has a different running style due to all the injuries he’s had, I’m not sure he can burn people with sheer pace like he used to. As for Miller, he’s elusive, but if his broken field running is as fast as it was against London Broncos I certainly wouldn’t quantify him as fast. If I recall he looked like like the 52 year old dad at The School Parents Race Day as he passed the ball to Handley before he collapsed
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I said this when we signed him but Miller isn't fast, he's elusive. He is able to change direction and jink quickly, but he's no Dufty/Field. Great over 20 metres but will then get chased down.
Newman I think is similar. Handley does have some pace when he gets going, but I agree I think we're quite slow as a side overall.
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| Quote ="christopher"Doesn’t sound like Rohan is going anywhere soon from the YEP article about today's presser'"
I think the club and the fans are very much on different pages with the coaching set up.
Interesting how positive RS genuinely seemed about the director role. Almost as if it takes a load of crap off his desk he could live without, so he can focus more on the day job.
I think we have this next block of fixtures before any action will be taken on Smith, unless we have one or two dire results in there. If we finish between 4-6th in the table, which I still think we can, AND we have some real high quality new signings in the pipeline for 2025, I'm content to leave it to the new Sporting Director to make the call on Smith either way.
Can't disagree with anything Smith said in his presser today TBF.
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| Not seen the presser but doubt anything will happen until the new Sporting Director has been appointed. Even then, I suspect RS will not be relieved of his duties until a suitable replacement has been found unless we drop to even lower levels.
The above notwithstanding, if we lose to Castleford, it is going to be very difficult for Rohan to continue with the mounting pressure which is already on him.
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| Yep
He sounded and looked more cheerful in the press video than for weeks and does not appear to be on the way out so would appear to have the backing of GH. Can see an issue if the new sporting director decides Smith should go and GH refuses as that would make the sporting directors position untenable if his job description includes recruitment and departures of the coaching staff and players.
Will GH want a yes man?
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| I genuinely think the new Sporting Director would want to come in, have a good look at RS and work with him, and then make a call based on what they see, results etc over the next few months. That's what I'd do. GH shouldn't be making the decision on RSs future either way.
If we win the next 4 games on the bounce there will be some disappointed people on here. We should hopefully have Holroyd back in the next 2-3 rounds, and Fus can't be too far off either. The chances of those two both staying fit for the rest of the season are about zero mind you.
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| Quote ="KaeruJim"I genuinely think the new Sporting Director would want to come in, have a good look at RS and work with him, and then make a call based on what they see, results etc over the next few months. That's what I'd do. GH shouldn't be making the decision on RSs future either way.
If we win the next 4 games on the bounce there will be some disappointed people on here. We should hopefully have Holroyd back in the next 2-3 rounds, and Fus can't be too far off either. The chances of those two both staying fit for the rest of the season are about zero mind you.'"
You are a generous and patient fellow, Jim, and that's why I like you. I think that's an extremely generous reading of the current situation though. Defeat to Cas tomorrow and I just don't think Rohan’s position is tenable any more. We should win, the players should respond, but I've said/ thought that a few times over the course of the season and been left with nothing but clumps of my own hair in my fists at the end of the game. I'm hoping my faith will be partially restored by tomorrow night, but at this point my faith in Rohan’s methods is at rock bottom.
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| Quote ="KaeruJim"I genuinely think the new Sporting Director would want to come in, have a good look at RS and work with him, and then make a call based on what they see, results etc over the next few months. That's what I'd do. GH shouldn't be making the decision on RSs future either way.
If we win the next 4 games on the bounce there will be some disappointed people on here. We should hopefully have Holroyd back in the next 2-3 rounds, and Fus can't be too far off either. The chances of those two both staying fit for the rest of the season are about zero mind you.'"
I'd like to think the new SD will be able to put some principles and parameters in place for Smith and any subsequent coach. There needs to be a similar approach across the age grades. By all means give the coach scope to try new things but you have to be able to put the foot down and say this isn't working and change approach.
The big test will be in July, beating a few teams above us has to happen or Smith is gone.
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| It’s not just results anymore with Smith. It’s the performances. They win the next 4 games, but are they bumbling through games with the same problems, it’s just that the result happens to go our way?
Or are we starting to look like a well oiled machine? The context matters, not just the results themselves.
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| Quote ="ArthurClues"You are a generous and patient fellow, Jim, and that's why I like you. I think that's an extremely generous reading of the current situation though. Defeat to Cas tomorrow and I just don't think Rohan’s position is tenable any more. We should win, the players should respond, but I've said/ thought that a few times over the course of the season and been left with nothing but clumps of my own hair in my fists at the end of the game. I'm hoping my faith will be partially restored by tomorrow night, but at this point my faith in Rohan’s methods is at rock bottom.'"
You have hair?!?!
I am actually generous and patient my friend - but RS tenure is going to be verging on untenable if we lose - particularly if we lose badly to Cas.
Frawley needs a good game tomorrow and so does Miller.
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"It’s not just results anymore with Smith. It’s the performances. They win the next 4 games, but are they bumbling through games with the same problems, it’s just that the result happens to go our way?
Or are we starting to look like a well oiled machine? The context matters, not just the results themselves.'"
If you came into this season expecting a top-4 year with silverware chances, well we’re just not there. Nothing you’re likely to see this year from now on is going to satisfy you, and I don’t personally think a change of coach now will get us there either.
I came in hoping for a top half finish, and therefore I’m a little more relaxed because I still think we’re a decent chance of that, we’ll see.
Next year, I’ll be totally with anyone who expects us to be a strong top 4 side, because we should have fixed the remaining holes in the squad, and the young players we have will be a year more mature/ better. I can only see us being better in 2025. In fact there are some cracking players coming through who I’m looking forward to see make first grade.
I’m not convinced about some of our approach to games either. We look a mid table side this year.
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| Quote ="KaeruJim"You have hair?!?!
I am actually generous and patient my friend - but RS tenure is going to be verging on untenable if we lose - particularly if we lose badly to Cas.
Frawley needs a good game tomorrow and so does Miller.'"
A “good” loss to Cas is a contradiction in terms. They have only beaten London, Hull and Salford so far this season. Any loss means Smith deserves to be heading for the exit. As for Frawley having a good game…….I can’t for the life of me understand how anyone could possibly imagine such an occurrence. He has nothing more to offer than we’ve already seen. What you may see is the little drop off pass routine to Cameron Smith on the 5th tackle who then runs into 3 defenders waiting for him. They are like the Leeds Rhinos version of the Chuckle Brothers. Anything other than a Rhinos victory by at least 12-15 points offers no hope whatsoever.
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| There needs to be a bigger margin of a win than that.Hull with the worst attack in the league,apart from london, put 4 tries against them last week.If the coach and players have not got the message after last week they never will.
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| what a load of crap
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| Has to be the end of Rohan. Terrible coach with an awful style of play.
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| Quote ="FGB"Worst ever SL coach?'"
He's better than his uncle was at hull
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"He's better than his uncle was at hull'"
Yeah his coaching masterclass got Hull 2points today. Better than Tony could manage.
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| Cannot see any point keeping RS in place now. I thought he would be gone end of the season but its going to get toxic. No idea how Chev Walker keeps surviving cannot see what he bring to the party and RS apart a lot of players reputations a plummeting rapidly. Our forwards are power puff and Handley apart our backs look like they are wearing pit boots.That was our full strength team today apart from Bentley and Ackers. No wonder Bentley keeps getting concussed it must give him a headache trying to work out where the rest of the pack are while hes trying to put a hit on people!
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| Does anyone have. Brad Arthur’s phone number? He has to be the first choice to bring in now. Smith has to go.
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| When would he realistically go though? He must be in talks with GH now? Did GH go into changing rooms at Fulltime?
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| Blease said he won't be rushed into making decisions.
But I predict Rohan will be gone by Wednesday.
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