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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"There is a world of difference between us playing block fixtures and Toronto playing block fixtures. It would give them a massive advantage if they dont have to travel for 4 or 5 weeks playing against teams travelling a couple of days before the game.'"
Is there? Why should Toronto and Toronto only suffer from the travel? NZ Warriors have often been given blocks of games and regularly play 2 at home, 2 away etc.
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| Quote ="Him"Is there? Why should Toronto and Toronto only suffer from the travel? NZ Warriors have often been given blocks of games and regularly play 2 at home, 2 away etc.'"
Wouldn’t that simply be their choice though? They want to join a league that works that way in the main, then surely they should work the same way? Otherwise don’t join it.
Really the simple answer is, do the fixtures as they would any other club, and if they end up with a couple during a period they can’t accomodate, then either take them on the road where they can, or play the fixture in the UK. It is after all their problem, and their problem only.
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"What utter nonsense, Super League clubs should be responsible for their own travel and accommodation. In all of the NRL, Super Rugby, Pro 12, NFL, NHL, NBA teams have to fly significant distances to play games. Does the home team cover the travel costs? No that would be ridiculous, the away side is responsible for their own travel.
It’s typical of our sports small time thinking that the thing holding back the expansion of the game is an annual 6 hour flight. Toronto just got over 9000 at their play off game a few days after Warrington only got 5000 and tinpot chairmen are looking at reasons to block them worrying about paying for 1 away game in Canada per year.
David Argyle has invested over £10M in Toronto Wolfpack so far, but he’s been treated as some unwanted foreign invader, the Super League meetings must sound like the UKIP party conference and will certainly put off any other people considering investing serious money in the expansion of our game as David Argyle has.'"
What a complete load of BS a local company could go under unless they the pay an outstanding bill.
They have players in their squad yet to be paid for & twice this year their staff wre paid late.
So its only right they are scrutinised before they are allowed into SL.
People have short memories remember Celtic Crusaders? Or Paris?
If Toronto are so great for the sport etc they'll prove their worth over a longer period & prove they are sustainable.
Also here's a reality check RL over here isnt even close to the revenues of the sports you are quoting so flights once or twice a year etc will have an impact on Clubs running costs.
With regards to the attendance a one off 9k whilst it looks good as a number written down but with most tickets free isnt as brilliant as you make out.
Finally the UKIP ref is complete OTT Lefty faux outrage many Clubs have been denied SL entry in the past so its hardly the big deal you're making it out to be.
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| Quote ="Him"Is there? Why should Toronto and Toronto only suffer from the travel? NZ Warriors have often been given blocks of games and regularly play 2 at home, 2 away etc.'"
The flight from Sydney to Auckland is 3 hours. The flight to Toronto is between 6 and 7. Its not comparable in terms of travelling across time zones either.
I would count 2 at home 2 away as block fixtures in fairness. They have pretty much so far being playing half a season away and half at home.
Its a bit late though for SL to be crying about this it shouldve been sorted and agreed before Toronto was accepted into the league.
I do think Toronto, if sustainable, are good for the sport and they should be accepted into SL if they gain promotion the sams as any other team. A trip to Toronto would do me nicely.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"
I do think Toronto, if sustainable, are good for the sport and they should be accepted into SL if they gain promotion the sams as any other team. A trip to Toronto would do me nicely.'"
I am in agreement with this, and quite fancy the trip. But that admittance shouldn't be at an advantage to them and disadvantage to others. It should be on a level playing field, and that field is and should be decided by the rest of the competition, not fans that no little about it.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"The flight from Sydney to Auckland is 3 hours. The flight to Toronto is between 6 and 7. Its not comparable in terms of travelling across time zones either.
I would count 2 at home 2 away as block fixtures in fairness. They have pretty much so far being playing half a season away and half at home.
Its a bit late though for SL to be crying about this it shouldve been sorted and agreed before Toronto was accepted into the league.
I do think Toronto, if sustainable, are good for the sport and they should be accepted into SL if they gain promotion the sams as any other team. A trip to Toronto would do me nicely.'"
How far Parramatta, Wollongong, Newcastle, Gold Coast, Brisbane and North Queensland Cowboys from Sydney airport? It’s one 6 hour flight a year for an away game shouldn’t be a problem, NRL sides have to fly regularly and as you said if this was an issue they should have never entered league 1 and the Championship
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| When I lived in Philadelphia and it looked like Toronto were going into SL I going to combine my trip home and fly up to Toronto watch the game and next day fly home , but circumstances changed and I'm back here .Maybe next year if affordable I might combine my trip to 2nd home Phila and Toronto
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"How far Parramatta, Wollongong, Newcastle, Gold Coast, Brisbane and North Queensland Cowboys from Sydney airport? It’s one 6 hour flight a year for an away game shouldn’t be a problem, NRL sides have to fly regularly and as you said if this was an issue they should have never entered league 1 and the Championship'"
2 for some clubs. Plus a play off if they got a home one? Plus the challenge cup?
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| Toronto don’t enter the Challenge Cup. 14 teams with home and away fixtures would see off the much disliked loop fixtures meaning only 1 trip to Toronto each, not to mention Championship and League One clubs have managed to play away games in Toronto so Super League clubs should be able to manage it.
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| Of course SL can manage it nobody is doubting that but if Toronto play block fixtures it will give them a huge advantage.
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"How far Parramatta, Wollongong, Newcastle, Gold Coast, Brisbane and North Queensland Cowboys from Sydney airport? It’s one 6 hour flight a year for an away game shouldn’t be a problem, NRL sides have to fly regularly and as you said if this was an issue they should have never entered league 1 and the Championship'"
Add to that Brisbane and Townsville are coaround 5-6 hours from Auckland similar to Toronto.
I for one will hopefully make the trip to Toronto if I can fit it in.
And as for other away teams it really is not a big deal
I have heard the stumbling block is just one well known Super league chairman from a well known Lancashire club who point blank does not want them in and is stamping his feet.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"Add to that Brisbane and Townsville are coaround 5-6 hours from Auckland similar to Toronto.
I for one will hopefully make the trip to Toronto if I can fit it in.
And as for other away teams it really is not a big deal
I have heard the stumbling block is just one well known Super league chairman from a well known Lancashire club who point blank does not want them in and is stamping his feet.'"
It is a big issue, a very big issue, jet lag is a pain in the backside and not easy until you are used to it. Travelling 5-6 hours in the same time zone is absolutely nothing the same as travelling to the other side of world.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"It is a big issue, a very big issue, jet lag is a pain in the backside and not easy until you are used to it. Travelling 5-6 hours in the same time zone is absolutely nothing the same as travelling to the other side of world.'"
Professional sports teams with forward planning should be able to manage jet lag quite easily, and phase training schedules Before and after to adjust. it's not like they have to be back to normal and back at a normal job at 8am Monday morning. Plus 5 hour time difference is fairly mild jet lag it's not like a 8-12 hour time difference. You are Totally over blowing the effects, of a flight to Toronto.
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| Jet lag seems to get me the day after I arrive when I come from USA
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| Is there anyone from the club in Australia right now on recruitment business?
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| I never seem to suffer with jet lag on the way there but the day after landjng back home is bad.
I dont think jet lag will be too much of an issue but if they are allowed large block fuxtures it will give them a huge advantage in my opinion. If they dont have to travel often and they are playing teams weekly who have travelled it has to be an advantage.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"I never seem to suffer with jet lag on the way there but the day after landjng back home is bad.
I dont think jet lag will be too much of an issue but if they are allowed large block fuxtures it will give them a huge advantage in my opinion. If they dont have to travel often and they are playing teams weekly who have travelled it has to be an advantage.'"
On the flip side it would be a huge disadvantage to them to play alternate home and away.
There needs to be some arrangement whereby they could play 2 or 3 games home, 2 or 3 away etc.
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| A discussion about jet lag wasn’t a place i thought this thread would go when I started it
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| Quote ="Him"On the flip side it would be a huge disadvantage to them to play alternate home and away.
There needs to be some arrangement whereby they could play 2 or 3 games home, 2 or 3 away etc.'"
This is a completely sensible solution to any sane person
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| I agree 2 or 3 but no more. However i think they are looking at Toronto playing all their home gsmes in a block in the middle of the seasom which is just ridiculous.
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| Quote =“Him”On the flip side it would be a huge disadvantage to them to play alternate home and away.'"
But that would be their choice to join that set up. We should not change for one club.
Quote =“Him”There needs to be some arrangement whereby they could play 2 or 3 games home, 2 or 3 away etc.'"
No there doesn’t. You don’t change rules for one club only.
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| Change of Subject rumours that Merrin may not be coming back as his partner is pregnant among other things that happened in his life
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| Quote ="Gotcha"But that would be their choice to join that set up. We should not change for one club.
No there doesn’t. You don’t change rules for one club only.'"
Oh come on. Yes we do. Like we gave Catalans protection from relegation in their first few seasons. And it’s a good job we did. Otherwise they’d have gone down in their first season.
The league change the rules for clubs all the time. Clubs often get allowances made for them in the fixture list. Whether it’s for football clubs they share with, for their pitch being relaid or for stadium redevelopments.
In the NRL the Warriors consistently don’t play alternate home and away.
The principal is already there. It’s just a matter of finding a middle ground.
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| Totally agree HIM.
If as a sport we want to include Toronto and the likes of Ottawa and New York you have to make certain concessions.
We can of course just stick to teams around the M62.
Some people just want their cake and to eat it.
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| Doesnt look like Trent Merrin will be with us next season unfortunately.
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